[Ring P4P update] Martinez moves to #3, Donaire drops to #4

[brassgod]

Why is Donaire above Marquez? What has he accomplished that makes him greater?

[elchivito]

Originally Posted by majypoo

Why is everyone raving about Martinez, the middleweight division is as poor as it's ever been and wins over Williams, Pavlik & Dzinziruk shouldn't put you anywhere near top 5 p4p. Martinez has only had 3 world title fights, I just don't get it, his resume is nowhere near the quality of Froch's but hes nowhere to be seen in the top 10. I am just baffled over all the hype about Martinez.

Williams was p4p, Kelly the favorite to beat Martinez,and Dzinziruk a solid 154lb champ that has never been dropped in his entire career, even in the amateurs. Beating him is as good as beating a Kirkland, an Angulo, or a Cintron. No one could of beaten a technical fighter like Dzin the way Sergio did. That is why Sergio deserves the high praise.

[yokspawn]

Originally Posted by brassgod

Why is Donaire above Marquez? What has he accomplished that makes him greater?

Imagine the current Donaire and JMM at the same size. Who wins?

[Ringnut]

Originally Posted by brassgod

Why is Donaire above Marquez? What has he accomplished that makes him greater?

P4P rankings are more about what you've done recently I think (no doubt Marquez ranks higher all time).

I would imagine wins over Sidorenko and Montiel are better than wins over Diaz and Katsidis.

[anarci]

You wont get a strong argument from me here... But think about this Nonito beat the better figther in Montiel(top 10 pfp) and was moving up in weight and the ko was more explosive and quicker... Martinez beat a guy moving up to fight him (Maybe top 40 or 50 pfp)... If they were gonna do this they should have just waited till Martinez fight before ever putting Nonito above him in the first place.

[puertorricane]

p4p list are worthless anyways everybody has different opinions.. i have martinez #1

[Bladegunner]

Originally Posted by yokspawn

Imagine the current Donaire and JMM at the same size. Who wins?

So is this how you judge p4p rankings

Ok imagine martinez and pac at the same weight who wins?

I guess that makes martinez p4p number 1. End thread.

[FORMIDABLE]

It's odd he moved up after for beating the number 8 ranked Ring jr middle at middleweight. They're making a mockery of their rankings. It's probably right though that Martinez is #3, he has beaten better fighters than Donaire recently. Donaire just should not have been moved past Martinez in the previous list. Seems Ring panelists gets caught in the hype after a big victory as much as the rest of us.

If they're starting to move fighters over one another from fight to fight, then it's about time they drop Mayweather. He's had one fight in the time Pac and Martinez will have had 4. Pac gets criticised and some even claim he should be dropped from #1 p4p for fighting Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. In the same period Mayweather's fought Mosley, no-one, no-one and no-one.

[boxbox]

Originally Posted by Bladegunner

So is this how you judge p4p rankings

Ok imagine martinez and pac at the same weight who wins?

I guess that makes martinez p4p number 1. End thread.

Pac by KO!... But in reality...if you ask Pac to go to 154-160..pac gets beat. But if you ask Sergio to go to 147..Sergio gets beat...Pac's max weight is 147.

[FORMIDABLE]

Originally Posted by Bladegunner

So is this how you judge p4p rankings

Ok imagine martinez and pac at the same weight who wins?

I guess that makes martinez p4p number 1. End thread.

apart from recent accomplishments, pound for pound rankings are loosely based on fighters being compared to one another with the consideration of all things being equal. If Pac could retain his movement, speed, punch power and punch resistance at 160, he could beat Martinez.

[FJAY360]

I think there keeping Floyd no.2 so that if the Pac/May fight can happen it will also be p4p 1 and 2, I have it 1# Manny Pacquiao 2# Sergio Martinez 3# Donaire, Floyd shouldn't be on it due to his inactivity

[Bladegunner]

Originally Posted by FORMIDABLE

apart from recent accomplishments, pound for pound rankings are loosely based on fighters being compared to one another with the consideration of all things being equal. If Pac could retain his movement, speed, punch power and punch resistance at 160, he could beat Martinez.

Judging by your avatar he could beat ali to.

Listen pac has looked great against flat footed opponents coming off of big loses. The last time he fought a guy who wasn't flat footed he was given hell. Imagine what martinez a slick boxer with power would do to pac. Go look back at the marquez fights if you want to know.

[Bladegunner]

Originally Posted by boxbox

Pac by KO!... But in reality...if you ask Pac to go to 154-160..pac gets beat. But if you ask Sergio to go to 147..Sergio gets beat...Pac's max weight is 147.

[FORMIDABLE]

Originally Posted by FJAY360

I think there keeping Floyd no.2 so that if the Pac/May fight can happen it will also be p4p 1 and 2, I have it 1# Manny Pacquiao 2# Sergio Martinez 3# Donaire, Floyd shouldn't be on it due to his inactivity

yeah probably. It just doesn't make sense for them to be moving fighters over one another on a fight by fight basis like they've done with Martinez and Donaire, and then to leave Floyd untouched when he's done nothing for almost a year.

[FORMIDABLE]

Originally Posted by Bladegunner

Judging by your avatar he could beat ali to.

Listen pac has looked great against flat footed opponents coming off of big loses. The last time he fought a guy who wasn't flat footed he was given hell. Imagine what martinez a slick boxer with power would do to pac. Go look back at the marquez fights if you want to know.

It's just an avatar man, you;re the second poster to say that today..no-ones saying he could beat ALi..Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong couldn't beat Ali either..when you match fighters up p4p you have to do so with all things being equal..in that case, Pac does have a chance to beat Martinez..As things stand though Martinez would probably give him a beating if they were to fight. It wouldn't be an even fight with Pac likely giving up 20lbs if he was to be at his optimal weight, or if he packs on the lbs to make the fight he likely won't be able to carry his speed and power up, his movement which he relies so much on would be effected with the extra weight and and his punch resistance would be diminished against a much bigger puncher than he is accustomed to