Max Baer vs. Gene Tunney 15rds. - Page 4

McGrain · 12-14-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by joeezzard

That is my point, Janitor.Max should have beaten Braddock easy.

Why? Braddock was a completely different fighter to the one that had been beaten so thoroughly over the previous years, everyone agreed upon this from Johny Dundee to Tommy Loughran. The Braddock that beat Baer was an excellent fighter who would have beaten an awful lot of pure punchers (in fact Braddock's record against pure punchers actually wasn't that bad even in spite of the wilderness years).

I'll go further. Braddock would have beaten Baer something like 9/10, regardless of Baer's preperation.

Joe E · 12-14-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Why? Braddock was a completely different fighter to the one that had been beaten so thoroughly over the previous years, everyone agreed upon this from Johny Dundee to Tommy Loughran. The Braddock that beat Baer was an excellent fighter who would have beaten an awful lot of pure punchers (in fact Braddock's record against pure punchers actually wasn't that bad even in spite of the wilderness years).

I'll go further. Braddock would have beaten Baer something like 9/10, regardless of Baer's preperation.

What? First you say Braddock was the kind of Fighter Baer had chewed up and then ask why Baer would have beaten Him?
Again, my point is Braddock was a Boxer not a Puncher.Not as good as Tunney,but a Boxer still.Baer had problems with Boxers,People that moved.Baer had to plant his Feet to punch,he would'nt been able to do that with Tunney.

McGrain · 12-14-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joeezzard

What? First you say Braddock was the kind of Fighter Baer had chewed up and then ask why Baer would have beaten Him?

I think you are confusing me with Janitor. He is less handsome and more obsessed than me.

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Again, my point is Braddock was a Boxer not a Puncher.Not as good as Tunney,but a Boxer still.Baer had problems with Boxers,People that moved.Baer had to plant his Feet to punch,he would'nt been able to do that with Tunney.

Braddock was, first and foremost, a puncher. He was a box-puncher by the time he took on Baer. Basically this involved a properly developed left. Beautifully in fact.

Joe E · 12-14-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I think you are confusing me with Janitor. He is less handsome and more obsessed than me.

Braddock was, first and foremost, a puncher. He was a box-puncher by the time he took on Baer. Basically this involved a properly developed left. Beautifully in fact.

Sorry Dude,my mistake,never mind.

McGrain · 12-14-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by joeezzard

Sorry Dude,my mistake,never mind.

There are worse posters to be confused with.

Joe E · 12-14-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

There are worse posters to be confused with.

O.K.

ChrisPontius · 12-14-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I think you are confusing me with Janitor. He is less handsome and more obsessed than me.

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I'll go further. Braddock would have beaten Baer something like 9/10, regardless of Baer's preperation.

Not popular opinion, but certainly not undefendable. I've grown to appreciate Braddock a bit more, his record is somewhat deceiving. I believe he deserved every bit of the heavyweight championship and should get full credit for it instead of "being lucky because Bear clowned", "Baer was afraid to murder him" etc. Bullshit! Baer was simply outboxed and had little skill himself which meant trouble if his opponent had the chin to take his punch.

red cobra · 12-14-2007, 10:17 PM

I believe Gene Tunney would give Max Baer his ultimate boxing lesson, and a beating to go along with it. He wouldn't deck Max, but Tunney would virtually shut out his man over 15 rounds. I swear, Gene Tunney remains to this very minute, the most painfully underrated heavyweight champion of history.

Joe E · 12-14-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

I believe Gene Tunney would give Max Baer his ultimate boxing lesson, and a beating to go along with it. He wouldn't deck Max, but Tunney would virtually shut out his man over 15 rounds. I swear, Gene Tunney remains to this very minute, the most painfully underrated heavyweight champion of history.

red cobra · 12-14-2007, 10:22 PM

Even if he was completely primed and ready, Max would have absolutely to chance against Gene Tunney, who in every way, was superior to James Braddock. I say all this as a fan not only of Gene Tunney, but also of Max Baer. Baer lost to Tommy Loughran, who was a smaller version of Gene Tunney, and it would have been a long, totally frustrating night of futility for Max.

BIG DEE · 12-14-2007, 11:01 PM

BIG DEE HERE= Baer broke his right hand early in the fight and hurt his left
late around the 12th rd. Baer fought the whole fight with his main weapon
gone. The Irishman had a hard head ask Joe Louis as he said later in life that Braddock took punches in their fight that leveled other fighters. LOUIS ALWAYS SAID HIS RESPECT FOR BRADDOCK AS A FIGHT WAS IMMENSE AS HE WAS
A DAMN GOOD FIGHTER AN UNDERRATED PUNCHER. LOUIS SAID HIS RIGHT HAND WAS DAMN HARD AND EVERY TIME IT LANDED IT HURT.

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12-14-2007, 10:22 PM	#55
red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Baer vs. Gene Tunney 15rds. Even if he was completely primed and ready, Max would have absolutely to chance against Gene Tunney, who in every way, was superior to James Braddock. I say all this as a fan not only of Gene Tunney, but also of Max Baer. Baer lost to Tommy Loughran, who was a smaller version of Gene Tunney, and it would have been a long, totally frustrating night of futility for Max.
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12-14-2007, 11:01 PM	#56
BIG DEE Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 261 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Baer vs. Gene Tunney 15rds. BIG DEE HERE= Baer broke his right hand early in the fight and hurt his left late around the 12th rd. Baer fought the whole fight with his main weapon gone. The Irishman had a hard head ask Joe Louis as he said later in life that Braddock took punches in their fight that leveled other fighters. LOUIS ALWAYS SAID HIS RESPECT FOR BRADDOCK AS A FIGHT WAS IMMENSE AS HE WAS A DAMN GOOD FIGHTER AN UNDERRATED PUNCHER. LOUIS SAID HIS RIGHT HAND WAS DAMN HARD AND EVERY TIME IT LANDED IT HURT.
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