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Old 03-30-2011, 08:53 PM   #31
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I never had a problem with the first Holyfield/Lewis fight.

Lewis fought far too cautiously and gave Holyfield too much respect.

Although I had Lewis two rounds up at the end; the fact the fight was in the States and Holyfield had been the aggressor for the majority of the bout, meant I figured Holyfield would edge it, and Lewis had blown a golden opportunity.

I never really understood the fuss about the draw, there have been far, far worse decisions in boxing...

I thought Holy won...










.... one round.





Maybe two.




Worst decision that I ever personally witnessed.


Martinez/CIntron might have been even worse since Sergio KO'd the dude, then outpointed him.




And came away with a draw.
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Old 03-30-2011, 08:58 PM   #32
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I never had a problem with the first Holyfield/Lewis fight.

Lewis fought far too cautiously and gave Holyfield too much respect.

Although I had Lewis two rounds up at the end; the fact the fight was in the States and Holyfield had been the aggressor for the majority of the bout, meant I figured Holyfield would edge it, and Lewis had blown a golden opportunity.

I never really understood the fuss about the draw, there have been far, far worse decisions in boxing...
i couldn't disagree more. worst decision i've ever seen.
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Old 03-31-2011, 05:09 AM   #33
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i couldn't disagree more. worst decision i've ever seen.
Then I suggest you watch a bit more boxing...

Start with:

Whitaker/RamirezI

Everett/Escalera

Chavez/Whitaker

Foreman/Schultz

Foreman/Briggs

Nelson/LeijaI

I accept judging is subjective, but I think a big majority of people would suggest, the fights listed were at least equal (many far worse) than Lewis/HolyfieldI.

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Old 03-31-2011, 06:19 AM   #34
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Yeah, seeing as fighters have LOST fights where they should have been awarded every round clearly, I can't see how Lewis getting a DRAW can seriously be considered the worst decision ever, and find it hard to believe it's the worst some people here have ever seen.
I thought he won 8 or 9 rounds, and he ended up with a draw. Bad decision, yes. Worst in the annals of boxing history ? Nowhere near.
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:36 AM   #35
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the ist azumah nelson jeff fenech fight was a robbery i thought fenech won easily even though in the rematch nelson hammered him .
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:47 AM   #36
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Huck - lebedev. Thought it was clear huck win.

Calz - hopkins again ditto. Clear win in my eyes.
I had Huck up by one point. Thought Lebedev was the better man in the ring though.

Most fights of Ottke were people screm robbery - not Reid even so this wasnīt a robbery but "just" a bribed or something ref. But thatīs because most people donīt understand what happened in Ottke fights. He foguht, won rounds, his corner got the scorecards of the judges every round (illegal and a huge low blow for the sport IMO) and when Ottke had 7-8 rounds in the bag he would stop doing anything. His trainer even advised him to just do as if he was punching. So, his opponents swept the last 4-5 rounds in nearly every fight, making those fights closer than they should have been. Of course people will scream robbery when a fighter is winning the last 4-5 rounds. But everytime I score those fight I come up with 7-5 or 8-4 for Ottke, best I could give, Brewer in the first fight, was a draw.
And I hate that guy. He more or less single handily destroyed Germanyīs reputation in boxing. And he just is a cunt. The way he acted in the Reid fight, in post-fight interviews and other interviews. You just canīt like that guy.
There were many shady things going on around some of his fights but I donīt think even one was a robbery.
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Old 03-31-2011, 09:13 AM   #37
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I agree the reid - ottke can't be considered a robbery in a scoring sense because he actually did get deducted and the knockdown wasn't scored. As bullshit as that was, it weren't the judges.
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alexander-kotelnik

just can't score it for kotelnik. he lost
Yeah, I was OK with that decision. Forrest over Quartey is another hotly disputed decision that didn't strike me as being highway robbery, either.
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:15 PM   #39
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Nelson/Leija
A draw was actually a pretty decent decision in that fight, imo.
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:16 PM   #40
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Yeah, seeing as fighters have LOST fights where they should have been awarded every round clearly, I can't see how Lewis getting a DRAW can seriously be considered the worst decision ever, and find it hard to believe it's the worst some people here have ever seen.
I thought he won 8 or 9 rounds, and he ended up with a draw. Bad decision, yes. Worst in the annals of boxing history ? Nowhere near.
It's an awful decision. But probably not as rank as Whitaker/Ramierez 1
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:20 PM   #41
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A draw was actually a pretty decent decision in that fight, imo.
It kind of gets lost under the other draw on the bill.

I thought Nelson pretty much wiped the board with the youngster. But then I never really understood the fuss with Nelson/FenechI, Nelson fought brilliantly with his back to the ropes.
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I thought the same thing when I first watched it. Had Gavilan winning wide. Have watched it in full twice since and each time it's been closer and closer, to the point where I think an either type of call could've at least been justified, although I still wouldn't have agreed with it.
Don't get me wrong I have it very close and watched it a good few times. I meant to say it would have been a worse decision if Graham got it than vice versa
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Old 03-31-2011, 05:02 PM   #43
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It kind of gets lost under the other draw on the bill.

I thought Nelson pretty much wiped the board with the youngster. But then I never really understood the fuss with Nelson/FenechI, Nelson fought brilliantly with his back to the ropes.
Initially it was ruled as a Nelson win before it was changed to a draw. Wouldn't have given Leija the nod, but I think Jesse James was competitive throughout, and fought make a draw an acceptable outcome, all things considered.
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