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Old 04-02-2011, 08:04 AM   #16
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Is it because you continually ask idiotic questions? Vitor got it in one go, why cant you? Its clear as day.
As I said I understood it just fine. And why is it idiotic to question your reasons for making bold generalisations as you like to do? You've yet to answer 1 of them but have the cheek to call them idiotic. You are full of shit Morono, but thank you for the attempt at being patronising, it made me laugh.

So I'll ask again.

Who are these Welterweights outside the UFC that GSP should be fighting as opposed to the overhyped bums who are on his record?

And why your constantly talking about the hyping of Brock when your the post who mentions him the most?

How exactly is M1 is bigger than the UFC in Europe?

How the UFC is exclusively full of lay and pray fighters?

And it would be nice to get a reply dealing with these issues you keep bringing up, and not some sort of statement implying Im and idiot
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:09 AM   #17
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Yeah Stoo what were you thinking dude? If Eddie Alverez says it, it must be true, right?? UFC's talent pool is just a sham, guys like GSP, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, none of these guys are actually talented it's just the UFC marketing machine at work.

Ahhh shit Dave I wasnt thinking. I was just repeating the Zuffa Zombie mantra blindly when I should have been listening to Moronos bullshit again. Im a grown man of 28 years of being on this planet and I just do what Im told by the TV

I guess I'll never be a rocket surgeon
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:12 AM   #18
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I've been saying for years that I'm the best in the world at 170, but no one will acknowledge it because I don't fight in the UFC. Finally Eddie has come out and dropped some truth bombs.

In all seriousness, the best boxer in the world is probably some bloke from Eastern Europe that none of us have ever heard of, the best wrestler is some Indian guy training in a sand pit, the best kickboxer is lives in a hut near the Cambodian border, the best grappler is teaching a few guys on the mats in his garage. We'll never know who any of these guys are or how good they are because we can't see them.

You can only rank what you can see, and just like K-1 is the best platform for kickboxing and the Mundials or ADCC is the best platform for grappling, the UFC in the most visible platform for MMA.
You've got to beat Josh Neer and TUF Journeymen to be no 1 in my eyes fella

But the rest of your post is common sense which I agree with totally. But that will be lost on some people
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:13 AM   #19
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:14 AM   #20
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No, its different because the NBA is the official big leagues while the ufc is not
You have no credibility now.
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:44 AM   #21
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I've been saying for years that I'm the best in the world at 170, but no one will acknowledge it because I don't fight in the UFC. Finally Eddie has come out and dropped some truth bombs.

In all seriousness, the best boxer in the world is probably some bloke from Eastern Europe that none of us have ever heard of, the best wrestler is some Indian guy training in a sand pit, the best kickboxer is lives in a hut near the Cambodian border, the best grappler is teaching a few guys on the mats in his garage. We'll never know who any of these guys are or how good they are because we can't see them.
That's garbage.

Those people are hungry too, they want to make a living. And if they're so good at what they do they must spend a lot of time training their art. If so, that means they want to get paid for it. If they want to get paid for it and if they were any good they would've made it far enough to be noticed by public.

If you think that they're SO ****ing talented that they are just the best boxers or fighters in the world(meanwhile not really proven against anyone) and can STILL make money off of some other job, then you might as well believe in tooth fairy.

How can you even speculate that some lonely guy near Cambodia that hasn't tested his skill against ANYone is the best. How would HE speculate he's the best? How the hell did he become the best if he trains against people who aren't nearly as skilled to push him forward?
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:49 AM   #22
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Totally missed the point there ufoalf. Go back and read the paragraph you deleted in the quote
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:51 AM   #23
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it goes both ways though.
if cheick kongo or tito ortiz went to bellator tomorrow theyd be promoted as megastars of mma when truth be told theyre just ufc gatekeepers.
In fact kalib starnes was headlining their shows Immediately after being punted by the ufc
tito was a megastar in the UFC in his prime now he is a gatekeeper
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:14 PM   #24
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That's because all the best fighters are in the UFC. Eddie Alvarez will be in the UFC one day too as long as he keeps winning at these small Bellator shows.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:00 PM   #25
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That's because all the best fighters are in the UFC. Eddie Alvarez will be in the UFC one day too as long as he keeps winning at these small Bellator shows.
henderson, fedor, overeem, bigfoot, king mo and so on arent in the fc
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henderson, fedor, overeem, bigfoot, king mo and so on arent in the fc
They're also not the top fighters in their respective divisions.
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:42 PM   #27
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Basically all he said was that UFC guys have the advantage of the Zuffa hype machine, that turns unproven or fighters of Journeyman status into top ranked worldbeaters in the MMA media and rankings.

Basically all he is saying is that Zuffa has fantastic marketing, without it many fighters would not be MMA stars. Does anybody really disagree with that?
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That's garbage.

Those people are hungry too, they want to make a living. And if they're so good at what they do they must spend a lot of time training their art. If so, that means they want to get paid for it. If they want to get paid for it and if they were any good they would've made it far enough to be noticed by public.

If you think that they're SO ****ing talented that they are just the best boxers or fighters in the world(meanwhile not really proven against anyone) and can STILL make money off of some other job, then you might as well believe in tooth fairy.

How can you even speculate that some lonely guy near Cambodia that hasn't tested his skill against ANYone is the best. How would HE speculate he's the best? How the hell did he become the best if he trains against people who aren't nearly as skilled to push him forward?
You kinda missed my point there, mate.

Just to reiterate:

You can only rank what you can see, and just like K-1 is the best platform for kickboxing and the Mundials or ADCC is the best platform for grappling, the UFC in the most visible platform for MMA.
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:08 PM   #29
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Basically all he said was that UFC guys have the advantage of the Zuffa hype machine, that turns unproven or fighters of Journeyman status into top ranked worldbeaters in the MMA media and rankings.

Basically all he is saying is that Zuffa has fantastic marketing, without it many fighters would not be MMA stars. Does anybody really disagree with that?
He also said "It doesn't mean they're talented. It just means they're known" which is what I think was the TS point, which is ridiculous. How he can say guys like GSP, AS, Jon Jones etc etc aren't talented, just famous is really beyond comprehension.
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:33 PM   #30
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He also said "It doesn't mean they're talented. It just means they're known" which is what I think was the TS point, which is ridiculous. How he can say guys like GSP, AS, Jon Jones etc etc aren't talented, just famous is really beyond comprehension.

I doubt he was talking about every single fighter in the UFC. But some guys like Florian are seen as one of the best and for a time was considered 2nd best lightweight in the world when guys like Alverez and Melendez and Aoki are better but dont have the same exposer.

Its like fedor compared to brock lesnar, so many were saying Lesnar would beat fedor because of hype, then of course their were those who didnt even know who fedor was.

This is the advantage of fighting for the largest MMA org in the world.
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