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Old 01-30-2008, 09:12 PM   #121
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I didnt see the show but it sounds like wat they are saying is Bas Ruten kicked at 900 lb of presser, not punched. Legs are natually much stronger than arms so of coarse his kick is gonna be more than a boxers punch, but his punch isnt gonna be close to a Heavyweight boxers
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:01 PM   #122
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And just to clarify for any other simple minded peeps out there who misinterpret my comment about old fighters who "stalk for only a couple of rounds".

I was implying that they stalk for a couple of rounds before any actions takes place, in a slow paced fight. NOT that they only fought for a couple of rounds before the fight was over.

I dont know why anyone would have trouble understanding this, but oh well.

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Old 01-30-2008, 10:18 PM   #123
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Yes, mass is important, butr how much heavier is a heavyweights fist than a lightweights? Its the weight of the FIST, not of the motionless body. It is not the determining factor in power punching, speed and time of impact are.

Again, you don't punch any harder while wearing a weighted vest, which a Sumo wrestler does in the form of fat. Heavyweights don't hit harder simply from weighing more, its the benefits of functional lean body mass that add to punching power.
Who's talking about the weight of the fist? This weight is a factor but, only a small factor. All along I have been talking about putting your weight behind the punch, i.e. your body weight. I didn't mention the weight of the fist because if dulls in comparison. Do you not think the body weight of the sumo wrestler isn't more than that of Jackson's??? If the sumo applied his body weight behind a punch along with the right technique (to further increase Acceleration) do you not think he could punch harder than Jackson? That clip did not show that and, hence I said it was not entirely accurate because it was not comparing like for like. Furthermore, the clip incorrectly stated the mass of the fist but, if you look at Jackson's punch he threw his whole body into it. That's why he was able to generate 1800 lbs of force.

Btw, a heavyweight's fist and arm probably weighs 2-3 times that of a lightweights. That's just a guess and could vary greatly. When you punch from a stationary position i.e. not applying body weight the weight of your arm has also got to be taken into account and not just your fist. If you transferred weight from one leg to another then your body weight has to be taken into account. Think this will be the last time I'm going to explain this.

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Old 01-31-2008, 01:34 AM   #124
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The mass of whats moving is the only mass that matters.

Heavyweights punch harder because they transfer more force through stonger bodies, which keep their body stiff at the moment of impact, hence a bigger impact. Until you get these basic concepts you won't understand punching.
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:43 AM   #125
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The mass of whats moving is the only mass that matters.

Heavyweights punch harder because they transfer more force through stonger bodies, which keep their body stiff at the moment of impact, hence a bigger impact. Until you get these basic concepts you won't understand punching.
So, a heavyweight doesn't move his body forward when he punches? Jackson didn't move his body in the clip? The sumo wrestler didn't move his body forward when he charged at his opponent? I think you're the one who doesn't understand simple dynamics of motion. A stiff body means nothing when there is no Mass behind it and I say this again if you still don't get it for the 5th time. We are not just talking about the mass of the fist we are talking about the entire mass of the person who is throwing the punch. Weight transfer (from the back foot to the front foot) is a key element in throwing a harder punch.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:05 AM   #126
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Look you stupid mother ****er, I know you have only had 3rd grade science so the only thing you understand is that equation, but ITS NOT THE RIGHT ****ING EQUATION.

The equation you want is
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What really matters is the transfer of energry from the puncher to the thing getting punched, the impulse.[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

The way you are thinking of this doesn't take into account the time of impact, a critcally important aspect.

Here is a high school explanation of it, although that might be a bit complicated for you
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wow beebs you pretty dumb, you making yourself look bad, honesty learn your fuken laws of physics before saying shit bro.. Frist of all the punch Force DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE FUKEN FIST you dumbass that plays a very small role in a punch becuz u telling me the body is motionless haha, when throwing a punch a boxer applys body weight into one target dumbass NOT JUST THE FIST, IT BEGANS AT THE BACK FOOT, and into the FIST, called kinetic linkage, just like when u PUSH, U USE UR LEGS, to push harder, thats why in boxing and even football they have STANCES, and also WHY they teach a boxer when throwing a fuken punch to be on ur toes and twist your hips, and your body...

NOW MASS X ACCERATION = FORCE, is the fuken right equation dumbass, your fist isn't indepent FROM YOUR BODY, you apply MORE weight when you put your body into which = FORCE, and the QUICKER you throw the punch = ACCERATION and if apply all your body weight the more FORCE you get.

M X A = F

Another thing that proves your are a moron is why the fuk you putting the equation of momentum and impulse.... thats newtons 3rd LAW, EVERY REACTION HAS EQUAL OPPOSITE REACTION.. THATS ONLY IMPORTANT DURING THE COLLISION WHEN THE GLOVES HITS THE OPPENTS FACE...............................................................................

Learn your fuken physics

anyways back to boxing, the truth is, what if you can impact 1000lb of force, but it doesnt mean every punch you land will be 1000lbs of force, why perfect balance, stance, acceration, speed, weight, aim, is so damn important to throw a perfect punch, now for MMA and Boxing, MMA is very freestyle very off balance sport, while boxing has a solid powerful stance and balance to throw a perfect punch, it's VERY POSSIBLE for a MMA to throw a punch as hard as a heavyweight Pro Boxer, Law of Physics says so, but does he have the balance, and stance and speed to impact the most damage? While the sport of boxing does, why Boxers can hit harder than MMA fighters
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:22 AM   #127
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i understand that... but my problem with him is 1) he is a moron... its obvious in his posts 2) he cant process information and facts given to him 3) he says they plodded around for a few rounds (when the fights often went into the 40 round range

and also... bareknuckle was just an example, how bout joe walcott in 1910? or the picture of the SPARRING gloves i put.... they were hit repeadadly with gloves as hard and about as little as mma gloves... and they werent getting knocked out by every power punch that landed...

id be willing to bet that in most of the old day championship bouts, they were hit with plenty of hard shots throughout the fight in the same manner that a lot of these ufc champs got hit, and they went on to win.

It comes down to the FACT that in mma you dont NEED to have good punch resistance to reach the top, so a top mma fighter could have major chin problems when hit with a real good shot.... there are mma guys out there with fine chins... but the field is much much worse then boxing, and thats because in boxing, to even have mild success, you need a base level of punch resistance to get there... so basically everyone we ever see at the elite or world class level HAS superior punch resistance, or they wouldnt have gotten there.

its very simple...
I think the "lesser punch resistance" of MMA boils down to the fact that they can't slip punches.

Boxers rarely get hit flush.

MMA fighters often rush into punches
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:00 PM   #128
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I dont know how many of you watched that Figth Science show last night. In the show they measured the strenght of the blows the MMA fighters were throwing at this dummy.
Bas Ruten could exert 900 lbs of pressure on this dummy. After those results they said that thats as hard as a heavyweight boxer punches at.
I asked some people on here last night and someone showed me a link that said Hatton punches at 882. Hatton is no heavy weight or considered to be a one punch knockout type of guy.

Does anyone else know what actually a heavyweight boxer punches at??
That show seemed kind of biased and i refuse to believe those chumps can punch harder than a heavyweight fighter.
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This boxer exerted a thousand pounds of force .
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:34 PM   #129
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learn your fuken laws of physics
Yea, you seem real credible.

Learn what "impulse" is and how it applies here then start talking. Actually don't bother, just go kill yourself.

And for the record, putting your body weight into a punch is just a way of explaining that you need to use your whole body to punch and not just your arms, it doesn't actually mean your weight is transfered through the fist, the weight of your body is still transfered to the ground. I'm not going to argue with people who refuse to learn when the facts are simply and clearly presented to them.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:17 AM   #130
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Yea, you seem real credible.

Learn what "impulse" is and how it applies here then start talking. Actually don't bother, just go kill yourself.

And for the record, putting your body weight into a punch is just a way of explaining that you need to use your whole body to punch and not just your arms, it doesn't actually mean your weight is transfered through the fist, the weight of your body is still transfered to the ground. I'm not going to argue with people who refuse to learn when the facts are simply and clearly presented to them.
beebs, it is very clear that you just don't understand physics. You keep confusing the force created by gravity, which acts downwards and the one that is created when you run, walk, whatever which is the sideways force. In both instances your Mass is involved. When someone throws a brick at you (object moving sideways) why do you think there is force behind it? The brick doesn't have arms or legs strength to give it force. It's because the brick has Mass and it was Accelerated at you by a throw. A boxer throws a stronger punch by utilising his Mass (by accelerating it) and accelerating his fist/arm at the target as well. Once you extend and stiffen your arm out upon impact you have utilised your Mass, which was in motion to create additional force. Please get help from your coach or someone.

Jackson's punch was measure at 1800lbs or roughly 800kgs. Do you think he could just have relied on his strength to create 800kgs of force with one hand? Professional weightlifters couldn't even do it. I bet Jackson would be struggling to lift 100kgs with one arm. His Mass was involved dude. Get educated.
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Old 02-02-2008, 03:07 AM   #131
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Virtually every MMA fighter I've ever seen has ZERO idea how to punch effectively. They arm punch and get no leverage on their shots. This includes even the so-called "champions."

It's why I don't like MMA.

You could take your average trained club fighter boxer and they punch harder than the top level MMA guys. Boxers are trained to punch through muscle memory and using technique to maximize impact.

MMA guys are trained to take you down and grapple, not punch.

Remember folks, just cuz you saw it on a TV show doesn't make it true.

boxer are train to punch
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:09 PM   #132
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Boxers hit harder.
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:21 PM   #133
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Boxers hit harder.
Im glad you cleared that up. Ive been waiting nearly 3 years for this moment...
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:59 PM   #134
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Boxers hit harder.
you know this thread is from jan 2008 right? we are in april 2011
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:46 PM   #135
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I saw that episode, they were all over bas' dick and made him out to be superman, he punched harder than a heavyweight boxer, he kicked harder than a champion muay thai kickboxer, and he lasted longer than any porn star.

when he did the punching test he wound up like a top and swung for the fences, so while it was a impressive result he'd never land a punch like that in a fight.
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