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Old 07-04-2007, 02:19 PM   #46
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Sorry, i had to split this post in two.

It's your fault, you got me started.



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Can you think of a single other occasion in boxing history, any weightclass, where this happened? A fix when a fighter was destroying everyone around and just annihilated the champion twice?
Can you think of an ocaasion in boxing history where a fighter is owned by the biggest mobster in the country and that man desperatley needed millions? Carbo had five children that he wold admit to at the Kauverman hearings, was about to have many of his assets stripped and was looking at life in prison.


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Was it Listons worst perforamnce? I don't know, Liston always looked slow and ponderous to me - he was just made to look a lot worse than normally because his opponent was so much better.
Ali was the best fighter that he (or any other HW IMO) ever fought. But to answer your first question - i haven't seen all of Liston's fights, but i've seen many of them, including a couple from after the Ali fights, and Liston looks by far and away the worst I have ever seen him in Ali I. There are so many things he didn't do were normal for him.



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So you think Liston missed that left hook on purpose then ? And all those other hard shots?
I think it's possible, yes. Liston would obviously have to throw punches between the beginning of the first and whatever was meant to happen in the 6th.


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The punch just BARELY missed Ali. Watch it again, if you think that's a purposely missed hook..... come on, anyone can see that that hook had "murder" written all over it.
Watching it again won't help me bro. I wish it would!


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If he would've thrown the fight in 6, i think he would've thrown light jabs, go backward or slowly forward. But in reality, Liston plodded forward at his maximum speed and threw hard shots.
I would have expected him to move forward constantly to make himself available for shots. I would expect him to fail to duck out from any of those and I would expect him to throw his shots wider than was normal for him.

About what happend then.


Liston spoke to his eldest brother right after the fight. He is supposed to have said: "I did what they told me to do". There are loads of stories like this one, but I won't repeat them all here. They don't really prove anything IMO. They are there though if you are interested.

Did you know that Liston's crew bought the rights to promote Ali's next fight? They paid 50k, absolutley top whack.

Strange thing to do if they were so sure Ali was going to be a beaten and in nowhere by the end of the fight, don't you think?
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:53 PM   #47
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Yeah, well, ok.. we can go on forever.

If you think Liston threw that murderous hook and missed it by a hair on purpose then i guess there's no way i can convince you. Nice debating though.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:41 PM   #48
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Yeah, well, ok.. we can go on forever.

If you think Liston threw that murderous hook and missed it by a hair on purpose then i guess there's no way i can convince you. Nice debating though.
I agree there's no end in sight...

If you think the prediciment facing the men who owned Liston isn't reason enough to raise suspicions of a fix, I guess i'll never persuade you!

I do recomend that you check out the McMurray fight.

Always a pleasure debating someone as smart as you Chris.
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