Can Anderson Silva surpass fedor as the greatest ever?

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by Will Cooling

Heh so if I disagree with you I'm a gimp? Okay gotcha.

Fedor was a great Pride heavyweight champion. But his run on top in Pride was shorter than either GSP or Silva's in the UFC and involved less defenses against top opposition. And the standard of opposition he's faced since the end of Pride is not that which a P4P fighter should be facing at all.

But let's be clear about this, Its not like I'm saying he was a bum or no good. I'd put him in my Top 5 ATG along with GSP, Silva, Frank Shamrock and Randy Couture.

Im not saying that at all mr cooling, just that you are quite a inconsistent poster, sometimes you make a very intelegent argument even inspiring to read, then other times its like the little mutant living in your belly takes over the keyboard and types utter shit.

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sorry just having a laugh.

[CrimsonBeast]

The only thing in his way is himself. His is so far above the rest that he already lost the killer instinct I love the guy but, besides the vitor fighting he has been rather boring to watch.

[Flash Jab]

Originally Posted by ufoalf

Yea but there wont be another Fedor. He has instincts like noone else.

I can assure you that Anderson has instincts to match. The James Irvin fight proves that.

[Vitor Belfort]

Originally Posted by CrimsonBeast

The only thing in his way is himself. His is so far above the rest that he already lost the killer instinct I love the guy but, besides the vitor fighting he has been rather boring to watch.

yea i think he got bored after a while. I hope he will be motivated in his next fight against okami since that was the last man to beat him.

[chimba]

By the time he does that, He will be in Jon Jones rear view. Being the GOAT sometimes requires timing. Jon Jones making a great fighter like Shogun (good or bad knees) looked like a Cage Rage fighter is a turning point in MMAs evolution.

So no its a little too late for Anderson.

[Vitor Belfort]

Originally Posted by chimba

By the time he does that, He will be in Jon Jones rear view. Being the GOAT sometimes requires timing. Jon Jones making a great fighter like Shogun (good or bad knees) looked like a Cage Rage fighter is a turning point in MMAs evolution.

So no its a little too late for Anderson.

jones hasn't accomplished anything to be even mentioned in the same sentence with anderson silva. When jones has clean up the light heavyweight division and then come up and beat former champions at heavyweight then you can mention him in the same sentence as the GREAT andrson silva.

[BewareofDawg]

Of course. So can GSP. It's premature to say Jones, just because he hasn't even defended yet. I would even make an argument for BJ to be able to do it if he wins the WW belt again in the next couple years.

[Ne5ville14]

For me what is making Fedor the GOAT is that he beat the best at there own game. Nog on the ground and CC on is foot.

AS and GSP are really great fighter, but there is no chance in hell we are gonna see that from them.

Would have been great to see AS dominate Maia on the ground.
Or GSP beat Hardy on foot.

This is what make Fedor special IMO !

[Will Cooling]

Originally Posted by Ne5ville14

For me what is making Fedor the GOAT is that he beat the best at there own game. Nog on the ground and CC on is foot.

AS and GSP are really great fighter, but there is no chance in hell we are gonna see that from them.

Would have been great to see AS dominate Maia on the ground.
Or GSP beat Hardy on foot.

This is what make Fedor special IMO !

Silva beat Henderson and Sonnen on the ground

GSP beat both Hughes and Fitch with wrestling

(you can also point to Couture's boxing setting up his victories against Belfort, Liddell and to a lesser extent Sylvia, and Shamrock in many ways developed the idea of a fighter looking to branch out from their core discipline and become well-rounded)

[Will Cooling]

Originally Posted by Vitor Belfort

jones hasn't accomplished anything to be even mentioned in the same sentence with anderson silva. When jones has clean up the light heavyweight division and then come up and beat former champions at heavyweight then you can mention him in the same sentence as the GREAT andrson silva.

To be fair I don't think he was saying that - more that Silva would have found it easier to move up and face the likes of Shogun and Griffin than Jones. Which is probably true - Jones denies Silva the advantages in speed, height and reach that he'd enjoy against many top light heavyweights. And its a bad stylistic matchup given Jones wrestling and fast-developing grappling.

[Ne5ville14]

Originally Posted by Will Cooling

Silva beat Henderson and Sonnen on the ground

GSP beat both Hughes and Fitch with wrestling

(you can also point to Couture's boxing setting up his victories against Belfort, Liddell and to a lesser extent Sylvia)

I've got to admit you are right with GSP but it's not like he always beat is opponent at there own strenght.

I give you the Henderson fight, but no ****in way in hell you can say Anderson dominated Sonnen on the ground. He won the fight yes but he was far from dominating him on the ground.

[Will Cooling]

Originally Posted by Ne5ville14

I've got to admit you are right with GSP but it's not like he always beat is opponent at there own strenght.

I give you the Henderson fight, but no ****in way in hell you can say Anderson dominated Sonnen on the ground. He won the fight yes but he was far from dominating him on the ground.

But he did beat him. Which is what I said . I also think more and more that Silva went with the mindset that he wanted to make Sonnen tap.

And GSP does avoid his opponent's strengths but that is a smart approach to fighting. No one things less of Ali for not slugging it out against Foreman - people appreciate his intelligent strategy. Greatness comes in different ways - the way GSP can choose where the fight takes place and has the variety of offensive weapons where he can stand or wrestle as he sees fit is very impressive.

[Ne5ville14]

Originally Posted by Will Cooling

But he did beat him. Which is what I said . I also think more and more that Silva went with the mindset that he wanted to make Sonnen tap.

And GSP does avoid his opponent's strengths but that is a smart approach to fighting. No one things less of Ali for not slugging it out against Foreman - people appreciate his intelligent strategy. Greatness comes in different ways - the way GSP can choose where the fight takes place and has the variety of offensive weapons where he can stand or wrestle as he sees fit is very impressive.

That's why I'm saying Fedor is special. He not only win, but dominated pretty much everybody in is prime at there own strength. Thing that GSP and AS rarely do.

I'm not taking away there accomplishment, I just think Fedor was more... spectacular and he took more risk. The bigger the risk the bigger the reward most of the time.

[Will Cooling]

I think your exaggerating the extent to which Fedor took these risks. You look at say the second Nog fight and its clear he wanted to stand with Nog and stay away from his guard - almost every time the fight went to the ground it was Nog that instigated it and Fedor usually jumped out of the guard at the first opportunity. Likewise he went for a number of throws and trips against Cro Cop.

Now I'm not crictising that and the way he was able to dominant whereever the fight went is impressive but he clearly fought to a gameplan.

[Ne5ville14]

Originally Posted by Will Cooling

I think your exaggerating the extent to which Fedor took these risks. You look at say the second Nog fight and its clear he wanted to stand with Nog and stay away from his guard - almost every time the fight went to the ground it was Nog that instigated it and Fedor usually jumped out of the guard at the first opportunity. Likewise he went for a number of throws and trips against Cro Cop.

Now I'm not crictising that and the way he was able to dominant whereever the fight went is impressive but he clearly fought to a gameplan.

I think you need to check that fight again. I have just watched it, Nogeira is on the ground the whole time and it's the exactly the same as the first fight. Fedor jump into Nog guard repeatedly and the whole fight is on the ground, the only time Fedor gets up it when Nog is pushing him out.


For the CC fight I'm not saying he never once tried to take him down, but he was able to trade with him and most of the fight is on there foot.


Thx man I havn't watch those fight in a while... !