Pacs Handspeed

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 06:46 AM

Whats your opinion? Has it slowed down? After re watching the fight and also thinking about the fightcamp footage... to me he has not slowed down at all. If anything I think he has increased his hand speed from the Margarito fight...

I think the perceptions of him slowing down came about because he was unable to put more than 2-3 punch combo on a contantly back-tracking mosely

But When he did let his hands go it looked pretty fast to me

AnthonyW · 05-09-2011, 06:56 AM

Comparing his handspeed from DLH/Hatton, to now, yes his handspeed has dropped slightly. Only natural though, he looks like he is filling in to the division now.

DobyZhee · 05-09-2011, 06:57 AM

didn't throw as much..definitely slower footspeed.

bad sign for pac.

cesare-borgia · 05-09-2011, 06:58 AM

pac looked bigger to me for some reason, his handspeed seemed oki when letting his hands go but his jab and straight left seemed a little bit slower then in the cotto fight for example.

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyW

Comparing his handspeed from DLH/Hatton, to now, yes his handspeed has dropped slightly. Only natural though, he looks like he is filling in to the division now.

Ya I agree with you from the dlh/hatton stand point, but has it slowed comparing to the Marg bout?

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DobyZhee

didn't throw as much..definitely slower footspeed.

bad sign for pac.

You dont believe the Stiffness Excuse?

I though your handspeed would go first before footspeed????

DobyZhee · 05-09-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by evilsherwin

You dont believe the Stiffness Excuse?

I though your handspeed would go first before footspeed????

i don't believe the stiffness excuse. pac did a lot of chasing than any previous opponent. he couldn't set and throw off his punches.

DanishPride · 05-09-2011, 07:04 AM

I cant see any difference. I barely saw the knockdown punch on mosley

AnthonyW · 05-09-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by evilsherwin

Ya I agree with you from the dlh/hatton stand point, but has it slowed comparing to the Marg bout?

I don't believe he's slowed since the Margarito bout. Margarito is very slow, this may have given the perception that Pacquiao was quicker than normal...which in turn could possibly be the reason why people may believe Pacquiao has slowed.

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cesare-borgia

pac looked bigger to me for some reason, his handspeed seemed oki when letting his hands go but his jab and straight left seemed a little bit slower then in the cotto fight for example.

I couldnt tell if he was bigger, as the good copy I got from the markets what in ultra wide screen lol

I think his right hook was looking faster than it has in the past, with the straight left, I got the impression he was hesitating a lil or not as sure when to let go coz of mosely backtracking so much.

AnthonyW · 05-09-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by evilsherwin

You dont believe the Stiffness Excuse?

I though your handspeed would go first before footspeed????

Usually footspeed first IMO.

Mosley is an example, as is RJJ.

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyW

I don't believe he's slowed since the Margarito bout. Margarito is very slow, this may have given the perception that Pacquiao was quicker than normal...which in turn could possibly be the reason why people may believe Pacquiao has slowed.

That makes sense

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DobyZhee

i don't believe the stiffness excuse. pac did a lot of chasing than any previous opponent. he couldn't set and throw off his punches.

Wasnt he getting the rub downs or complaining to ariza from the 3rd or 4th rounds? not sure, I was falling asleep from the alcohol from the night before

PH|LLA · 05-09-2011, 07:14 AM

hard to tell as one guy was coming towards him and the other was moving away

personally, I thought Pac put on an impressive performance against Mosley... basically forcing him int survival mode. Every time Mosley stood his ground Pac tagged him with clean hard shots. I don't see anything Mosley could have done to win that fight. Pac's 1-2 looked fast as hell and those straight lefts he landed to the body looked like killers.

evilsherwin · 05-09-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PH|LLA

hard to tell as one guy was coming towards him and the other was moving away

personally, I thought Pac put on an impressive performance against Mosley... basically forcing him int survival mode. Every time Mosley stood his ground Pac tagged him with clean hard shots. I don't see anything Mosley could have done to win that fight. Pac's 1-2 looked fast as hell and those straight lefts he landed to the body looked like killers.

I agree with how you saw this fight, Pac could only do so much with a fighter that was too worried to engage.

Mosely would have seen the tapes of Cotto/marg & hatton, they got tagged hard when they were in the process of throwing their punches..
To me it during the exchanges that Pac gets his man with those shots that they didnt see..

I think with that in mind, mosely just went into survival mode. Although pac could have cut of the ring better, I will gve him the benifit of the doubt bcoz of his leg stiffness complaint

View Poll Results: Has Pacs handspeed Declined from the Margarito fight
Its the Same	24	46.15%
Its Slower	15	28.85%
Its increased a little	4	7.69%
Cant tell	9	17.31%
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05-09-2011, 06:46 AM	#1
evilsherwin Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Auckland Posts: 895 vCash: 1000	Pacs Handspeed Whats your opinion? Has it slowed down? After re watching the fight and also thinking about the fightcamp footage... to me he has not slowed down at all. If anything I think he has increased his hand speed from the Margarito fight... I think the perceptions of him slowing down came about because he was unable to put more than 2-3 punch combo on a contantly back-tracking mosely But When he did let his hands go it looked pretty fast to me
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05-09-2011, 06:56 AM	#2
AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 22,413 vCash: 920	Re: Pacs Handspeed Comparing his handspeed from DLH/Hatton, to now, yes his handspeed has dropped slightly. Only natural though, he looks like he is filling in to the division now.
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05-09-2011, 06:57 AM	#3
DobyZhee ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 41,086 vCash: 928	Re: Pacs Handspeed didn't throw as much..definitely slower footspeed. bad sign for pac.
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cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Weed capital of the world Posts: 16,333 vCash: 1000	Re: Pacs Handspeed pac looked bigger to me for some reason, his handspeed seemed oki when letting his hands go but his jab and straight left seemed a little bit slower then in the cotto fight for example.
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DanishPride Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 381 vCash: 500	Re: Pacs Handspeed I cant see any difference. I barely saw the knockdown punch on mosley
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05-09-2011, 07:14 AM	#14
PH\|LLA ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: YUL Posts: 46,635 vCash: 5685	Re: Pacs Handspeed hard to tell as one guy was coming towards him and the other was moving away personally, I thought Pac put on an impressive performance against Mosley... basically forcing him int survival mode. Every time Mosley stood his ground Pac tagged him with clean hard shots. I don't see anything Mosley could have done to win that fight. Pac's 1-2 looked fast as hell and those straight lefts he landed to the body looked like killers.
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