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Old 05-16-2011, 03:53 AM   #1
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Lots of times a fighter can get overly criticized for a certain dynamic of the game, or wrongly interpreted as relying on other aspects to make up for it. List some you think don't get enough mention.

For me:

Roy Jones Jr. : technical ability and Ring IQ. He was more than athleticism and new how to set traps and control the distance while punching with great torque and form.

Juan Manuel Marquez: Defense. His early days he was quite elusive, and even now he is constantly ad******g his game for younger pressure fighters and shows good head movement and defensive body positioning.

Mosley: Boxing IQ. Sure, he wasn't a master boxer, but he was not a dumb fighter and new how to lure boxers into dropping their guard or falling into place for a counter-punch. It often looks like he's outspeeding a lot of fighters but he puts them into position with proper footwork and smarts.

Nicolino Locche: Toughness. While he was a defensive master, Locche took a fair share of punishment against the likes of Cervantes for example. When kept at the end of those long hard punches, Locche showed he was not defensive out of fear or weakness of constitution.

Duran: Patience. It's hard to ever underrate Duran since all aspects of his game have been gratuitously praised, but as a personal characteristic in the ring, Duran showed the patience to wait for the right opening for an engagement of aggression or counter (usually the right hand.) His timing in circumstances where he couldn't control the space in close (Hagler comes to mind) showcase the calm of a veteran fighter and natural thinker. As he said "If you don't use your head in the ring you're a piece of ****." Even against Hagler, his cool under fire and technical prowess showed even a past-prime Duran is better than most fighters who ever lived.
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Marciano - intelligence
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Monzons fundamental boxing ability is often over looked, being passed off as part of his Ring IQ or toughness.
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Langford's h2h ability. Out of his 300 fight career only 5 men would defeat him and go unavenged, 3 of these whilst he suffered a detached retina in his mid thirties. Another of these men outweighed him by 30 pounds.

And of these 5 men he was always able to defeat someone who would go on to defeat them.
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Hagler - Ring intelligence, I mean he made one mistake with the Leonard fight. If you look into it he was trying to be tactical as he thought Leonard would be preparing to fight Southpaws, the only thing Marvelous Marvin didn't know is Leonard was having troubles with his Southy Sparring Partners.

Frazier - Chin, Yes he got blown away by Big George but, people tend to forget he's arguably the hardest puncher of all time? Anyway besides that it was more of a styles job than a bad chin. Seeing Frazier was bobbing right into Georges looping fists.

Hearns - Chin, He only got stopped what 4 times in his career? Once against Ray Leonard after gassing, against Brakley past his prime and out of his weight class, against Uriah Grant after a leg inhury and finally in the infamous WAR which little men would have been able to survive.

Greb - Everything. People see some training footage and think He's not very good. Well we have footage of the likes of: Tunney, Loughran, Walker and we can tell these were excellent fighters who all had different styles and Greb managed to beat all of them. He must have been some fighter.
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Marciano - intelligence

I agree, his timing and ability to pick his shots when coming forward is not really given credit.
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Jack Dempsey could box.

Marciano was cagey.

Primo Carnera was actually good.

Henry Armstrong had great punching power.
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Floyd Patterson: chin. I explained that very often, no need to do it again.

Tony Canzoneri: power, his KO% is no real indication of his power.

Wlad Klitschko: chin and mental strength.
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DLH during the better part of his career had a real good right hand. He beat down Yori Boy Campas with it as a lead repeatedly.
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Lots of times a fighter can get overly criticized for a certain dynamic of the game, or wrongly interpreted as relying on other aspects to make up for it. List some you think don't get enough mention.

For me:

Roy Jones Jr. : technical ability and Ring IQ. He was more than athleticism and new how to set traps and control the distance while punching with great torque and form.

Juan Manuel Marquez: Defense. His early days he was quite elusive, and even now he is constantly ad******g his game for younger pressure fighters and shows good head movement and defensive body positioning.

Mosley: Boxing IQ. Sure, he wasn't a master boxer, but he was not a dumb fighter and new how to lure boxers into dropping their guard or falling into place for a counter-punch. It often looks like he's outspeeding a lot of fighters but he puts them into position with proper footwork and smarts.

Nicolino Locche: Toughness. While he was a defensive master, Locche took a fair share of punishment against the likes of Cervantes for example. When kept at the end of those long hard punches, Locche showed he was not defensive out of fear or weakness of constitution.

Duran: Patience. It's hard to ever underrate Duran since all aspects of his game have been gratuitously praised, but as a personal characteristic in the ring, Duran showed the patience to wait for the right opening for an engagement of aggression or counter (usually the right hand.) His timing in circumstances where he couldn't control the space in close (Hagler comes to mind) showcase the calm of a veteran fighter and natural thinker. As he said "If you don't use your head in the ring you're a piece of ****." Even against Hagler, his cool under fire and technical prowess showed even a past-prime Duran is better than most fighters who ever lived.
Absolutely!! Just a cursory examination of his record..117-4-14..just 4 losses, and he wasn't ever truly ko'ed..Cervantes won on cuts..has to be one of the greatest records ever..close to Monzon's record BTW..Locche HAD to be tough as hell as well as being a boxing wizard..what an impressive record!
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Floyd Patterson: chin. I explained that very often, no need to do it again.

Tony Canzoneri: power, his KO% is no real indication of his power.

Wlad Klitschko: chin and mental strength.
I agree with you on all three, for Wlad to come back as he did after the Sanders disaster and the other stoppages and the gassing out/stamina issues that he had for a spell..and to redeem himself like he did..he probably only wishes he had been able to fight Sanders again..otherwise, he has done as all great champions have done in redeeming himself.
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Roy Jones was a very smart fighter, you dont get by as long as he did by fighting with your hands down, throwing power punches without having created your openings with the jab, unless you have an intuitive sense for what your doing in that ring.

Something that gets overlooked with Roy, is his footwork, its easy to talk about his handspeed, but that's irrelevant if you cant get your feet into the right positions to let your hands go, and because Roy didn't set his punches up, its even more impressive that he was able to get his feet into those positions, to land, and not get hit back.

Roy had the best footwork since SRL imo.
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Eder Jofre - defense
Floyd Mayweather Jr - H2H
George Foreman - jab
Dempsey - skills
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Monzons fundamental boxing ability is often over looked, being passed off as part of his Ring IQ or toughness.
Watch Monzon-Briscoe II as proof that Monzon could box and move fluidly.
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Ezzard Charles vs Rocky Marciano I is proof of his guts, heart determination and chin.
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