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Old 09-11-2012, 02:45 AM   #31
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Default Re: Rocky Marciano 'February 1966 - The Heavyweight Division has no Pizazz'

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Walcott was heavyweight champion of the world coming off the best win of his entire career, I don't see how you can possibly give Rocky anything but full credit for this victory.

Charles was past his prime, but was still the ring magazine # 1 heavyweight contender in the world in june 1954, and put up an incredible performance on film for us to see with our own two eyes.

Moore clearly a teir below? Moores heavyweight record in his career was 75-3! He defeated # 1 rated contender Nino Valdes to earn his shot at Marciano. Also defeated highly regarded young heavyweights top 5 rated Bob Baker and Clarence Henry. Moore was a legitimate proven # 1 heavyweight contender!
Not taking anything away from Walcott or Charles, but the were past their primes. I think you know this. Walcott was older than Charles. They put up great performance against Rocky, but that does not mean that they weren't past it.

Bob Baker, Clarence Henry and Valdez were not world-beaters, let's be clear
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:24 AM   #32
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He can say whatever he pleases, 1966 sure was better than 1947-56.
Which in turn was better than anything pre-1930's.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:27 AM   #33
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February 1966

More of Rocky,

'Boxing is becoming a mess. We need a proper Boxing Commission, but please, not
run by the govermnent. Soon, mark my words, there will be multiple champions,
and more confusion. Half the people out there still think that I'm the Champion.'

'Cassius Clay is the finest fighter out there, but still many do not recognize him as
a Champion. Bad behavior has tarnished his accomplishments.'
If he really said this then he predicted correct.

I think he'd be ashamed to be a boxer if he saw the state of affairs with boxing today.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:43 AM   #34
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February 1966,

Remember, Rocky had just witnessed the 'bad fight' between Cassius and Floyd in
Las Vegas in November 1965, and the fan reaction at that bout had bothered him.

It wasn't only the boo's, but the deep routed hate in the sound. It was something he
had never heard before, 'the tone of the booing'.

Later he said it was,,,,,,,,, 'hate'.
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Old 09-11-2012, 06:21 PM   #35
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Rocky was right,,,,,,

The Heavyweight Division 'had no fizz'.

1966 was 'dull'.

1) Cassius had to go to Europe to get a decent fight purse.
2) Sonny had to go to 'Sweden' to fight.
3) There was 'no excitement' in the division.
4) Joe Frazier was 2-years away.
5) Jerry Quarry had potential, but lacked complete skills.
6) Ernie Terrell was boring.
7) Floyd Patterson retired in November 1965, only to be begged to come back in September 1966.
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:27 AM   #36
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Marciano fought better opposition than Jeffries? Better than Dempsey? LOL.
Yes and Yes. LOL.
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:47 AM   #37
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Marciano fought better opposition than Jeffries? Better than Dempsey? LOL.

Yes he did, clearly. Rocky actually fought fighters who knew how to keep a high guard, how to throw a jab, throw combinations, use head movement, etc..
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:51 AM   #38
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Rocky Marciano,

After being told that Cassis Clay was going to defend the Heavyweight Championship
versus Brian London.

'That is not right, it diminishes the roll of a champion. It would be like the New York
Yankees playing the World Series versus the New York Mets.'

'If you want to perform an exhibition, well that's one thing, but Brian London in a
Heavyweight Championship, that's not to my liking.'
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:40 AM   #39
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He meant to say Pizzas, he went to a HW fight and there was no pizza or pasta, he was mad
We need boxes.
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:08 AM   #40
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Rocky Marciano,

'It's not up to me to say if Sonny Liston should be allowed to fight again. If
the public wants to see him, they will pay. If not, the promoter will lose money.
Let's see what happens when he comes backs. I know the guy can fight, but
mentally he might not want to.'

'I like the Cassius Clay - Henry Cooper Championship fight. It should be good until Cooper gets cut.'
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Rocky Marciano,

After being told that Cassis Clay was going to defend the Heavyweight Championship
versus Brian London.

'That is not right, it diminishes the roll of a champion. It would be like the New York
Yankees playing the World Series versus the New York Mets.'

'If you want to perform an exhibition, well that's one thing, but Brian London in a
Heavyweight Championship, that's not to my liking.'
Marciano don't really have the right to talk about Ali's opposition. His was no better.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:08 PM   #42
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The 60's were very weak, Frazier emerged but he fought Ali in his 26th fight and burnt out shortly after. Mathis was not much and even Floyd looked good with his experience against Ellis, Bonavena,Quarry and Ali (despite his injury) Did Floyd get better or experience show up, I think it was experience....Charles,Walcott, Layne, Moore,Etc. and Lastarza would have fun with this group of youngsters.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:21 PM   #43
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Rocky fought garbage. He should get more credit for Moore. The experts of that time felt that would be a credible fight, involving a credible challenger --- and they were right. Charles, Louis and Walcott? Please.
Charles, Louis, and Walcott...O yeah real bums

You're one of the biggest morons I've met in my 7 years of posting here
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