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Old 06-29-2012, 12:03 PM   #31
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Are we talking about the same Griffith? Because other than being faster, I don't think Whittaker had a lot of physical advantages over Griffith.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:12 PM   #32
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Depends on how you classify "physical" ... If we listed stuff like we do when we compare people's skills.. i.e. Jab, Cross, Chin, Ring Generalship etc etc... Pea carries the day and easily. So that could be physically.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:21 PM   #33
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I think that is more skill set, but if you did possibly. But I was talking more strength, stamina, chin, etc.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:23 PM   #34
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Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, and prime Donald Curry I think were capable of "out skill - ing" Whitaker. Curry would have been a handful for Whitaker with his counter punching skills.

These. The original Sugar,of course.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:28 PM   #35
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I think that is more skill set, but if you did possibly. But I was talking more strength, stamina, chin, etc.
Well lets talk about those.... You think emile has a better chin and stamina than Whitaker?
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:39 PM   #36
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Whitaker would get bulldozed if he stood his ground with Emile. There's no way he would stand in there with him other than for very brief periods. This doesn't have anything to do with being outskilled or outhought, or anything of the sort. It's pure physics.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:54 PM   #37
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Stamina even, more or less. And chin it's no contest.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #38
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Whitaker would get bulldozed if he stood his ground with Emile. There's no way he would stand in there with him other than for very brief periods. This doesn't have anything to do with being outskilled or outhought, or anything of the sort. It's pure physics.
I kinda agree but kinda don't. Whitaker had no issue staying in the pocket with harder punching WW than Emile... i.e. DLH and Trindad.. this was past his best as well. I'm not talking about standing is ground throwing bombs.. but he loved staying in the pocket and using his body movement and foot movement to counter and land heavy shots... So, I'm not quite sure what you mean by stand his ground...
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:43 PM   #39
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:38 PM   #40
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Griffiths chin was very good wasn't it?

I'm not as familar with him as others but the Hurricane Carter fight aside I can't recall him being floored or KO'd many times (Monzon also stopped him but that was a TKO I think). Even the Carter fight I'd probably class as an aberration as he was simply caught cold by a big puncher and couldn't recover. I'm guessing if they met another half a dozen times Carter couldn't do that to Griffith again but that's irrelevent.

I may be wrong of course but I'd say his chin was every bit as good as Whitakers as he competed at a high level against very good opposition for a long time.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:01 PM   #41
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:21 AM   #42
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Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, and prime Donald Curry I think were capable of "out skill - ing" Whitaker. Curry would have been a handful for Whitaker with his counter punching skills.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:13 PM   #43
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I kinda agree but kinda don't. Whitaker had no issue staying in the pocket with harder punching WW than Emile... i.e. DLH and Trindad.. this was past his best as well. I'm not talking about standing is ground throwing bombs.. but he loved staying in the pocket and using his body movement and foot movement to counter and land heavy shots... So, I'm not quite sure what you mean by stand his ground...
It's not so much punching power that Whitaker needs to contend with as much as raw strength. Griffith was much stronger than anyone Whitaker faced with the exception of Vasquez, and he is a lot more skilful than Vasquez.

Griffith loved to lean on guys at welterweight and use his greater strength to wear opponents down. A good example is the Griffith-Stable fight. The smaller Stable was as gutsy as they come, a good infighter, and gave a tremendous effort, but Griffith just wore him out and pretty much finished Stable as an elite welterweight.

If Whitaker stands in the pocket with Griffith, he will get manhandled.

His only hope in that one is to fight with the Whitaker-Chavez gameplan. Constant movement, little spots on the inside, and vacate the premises A.S.A.P.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:42 PM   #44
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If Floyd is in the fight, it would be due more to speed than skill. He is clearly not as skilled as Whitaker.
I disagree with that. I have yet to see a fighter that's clearly more skilled than Floyd.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:44 PM   #45
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Clearly?

I'll agree that Floyd doesn't have that innate radar that Pernell had to avoid incoming punches plus his footwork isn't nearly as good as Whitakers
It's actually better - at least from a technical standpoint. Whitaker was more natural IMO, but he also had the clearer technical flaws.
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