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Old 05-11-2014, 05:36 PM   #61
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Keith Thurman is a solid Welterweight at his prime weightclass/age

Mayweather 38 years old, GOAT @130, but small at Welterweight

From now on Time is on Thurman side & he will only become a more clear favorite as Floyd ages everyday

how highly would you rank a floyd victory over 'one time'???
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Old 05-11-2014, 05:40 PM   #62
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Interesting stats, but surely the analysis based purely on records is slanted towards modern fighters, whose 0's are protected far more than in previous generations.
Marciano & his victim La Starza were both well protected by the guys holding down boxing back then

Pep also reached past 60-0

Keep in mind that the inflation of titles is neutralized by an almost parallel growth in boxing population, so do a count on active boxers by era vs titles you will see the peak value around (1x) 1962, (Pre3x) 1982, (Pre4x) 2002
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Old 05-11-2014, 05:45 PM   #63
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how highly would you rank a floyd victory over 'one time'???
I am certain this fight will never happen

Floyd will prove his talent vs good boxers he can still beat at this stage of his career...Its unfair to ask an aged smaller guy who started at 130 to risk his life in the ring vs physically superior bigger younger fighters

Floyd possibly has a risk assessment team that studies these fights, Maidana is already the roof risk.
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Old 05-11-2014, 05:48 PM   #64
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I am certain this fight will never happen

Floyd will prove his talent vs good boxers he can still beat at this stage of his career...Its unfair to ask an aged smaller guy who started at 130 to risk his life in the ring vs physically superior bigger younger fighters

Floyd possibly has a risk assessment team that studies these fights, Maidana is already the roof risk.
that must mean pacquaio's risk score if off the charts touching the sky
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Old 05-11-2014, 05:55 PM   #65
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that must mean pacquaio's risk score if off the charts touching the sky
Pacman vs Mayweather can still happen

Risk vs Reward is improving for Mayweather

Mayweather makes more $, I don't want this thread ending up in IB Bolivia thread, but in short the odds improved alot
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:11 PM   #66
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eltirado, how would the stats differ if you discount losses to hall of famers
They will not be correct, a loss can only equal a loss

The value of being undefeated = Infinity-0-0-0, since we don't have any proof that Marciano or Valero were going to lose...besides subjective speculations

A guy who loses once, should compared with guys matching his exact record at the same time, that way all guys have the exact record & the list will show the quality of the opposition they faced.

A more complex formula, will always drag you into the subjective realms with no additional useful data, as the list by its simplest form is already accepted subjectively.

Compare famous boxers records to guys with their records and you will
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props for doing this. Kind of neat subjective way too look at it.


Only thing is in boxing you will always have dangerous guys with bad records and vice versa but good work none the less.
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Only thing is in boxing you will always have dangerous guys with bad records and vice versa
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:24 PM   #69
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46-0-0-0 Opposition Analysis

1287-199 opposition 6.5-1 ratio, Mayweather
0739-190 opposition 3.9-1 ratio, Holmes
1037-293 opposition 3.5-1 ratio, Calzaghe
0628-181 opposition 3.5-1 ratio, Valuev
0437-130 opposition 3.4-1 ratio, Zarate
0776-263 opposition 3.0-1 ratio, Lopez
1060-367 opposition 2.9-1 ratio, Nielsen
0907-342 opposition 2.7-1 ratio, Oliva
1208-473 opposition 2.6-1 ratio, Marciano
1411-565 opposition 2.5-1 ratio, Benvenuti
0250-120 opposition 2.1-1 ratio, Chavez
0298-145 opposition 2.1-1 ratio, Campas
0817-430 opposition 1.9-1 ratio, La Rocca
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Stiverne fights with his hands low....let's see if he fights with his hands low vs GOAT ko ratio wilder...
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Stiverne fights with his hands low....let's see if he fights with his hands low vs GOAT ko ratio wilder...
Stiverne will lose by KO regardless of how he fights, mainly because he is inside the range of Wilder power punches, Wilder is too fast & too rangy...nothing he really can do
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46-0-0-0 Opposition Analysis

1287-199 opposition 6.5-1 ratio, Mayweather
0739-190 opposition 3.9-1 ratio, Holmes
1037-293 opposition 3.5-1 ratio, Calzaghe
0628-181 opposition 3.5-1 ratio, Valuev
0437-130 opposition 3.4-1 ratio, Zarate
0776-263 opposition 3.0-1 ratio, Lopez
0767-263 opposition 2.9-1 ratio, Pita
1060-367 opposition 2.9-1 ratio, Nielsen
0907-342 opposition 2.7-1 ratio, Oliva
1208-473 opposition 2.6-1 ratio, Marciano
1411-565 opposition 2.5-1 ratio, Benvenuti
0250-120 opposition 2.1-1 ratio, Chavez
0298-145 opposition 2.1-1 ratio, Campas
0817-430 opposition 1.9-1 ratio, La Rocca
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