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Old 07-18-2014, 10:37 AM   #16
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Is this just purely pro boxing?
Probably best to keep it just Pros.

List would be completely different otherwise.
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Puerto Rico isn't even an independent country. Its a part of the Us
Like Hawaii, PR has been fighting for independence for decades but the US won't let they loose become of the big US Naval presence there. S.O.S.
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1. USA

2. Cuba

3. Mexico

4. Puerto Rico

5. Japan

In that order.
This is the way I see it except PR is technically a part of the USA ( it would not be fourth anyway) and I have Mexico and Japan tied for third. I would put uk fifth because donaire is from the USa isn't he?

Honourable mention former soviet bloc countries and Canada (greatest country on the planet and holding its own on the world scene with a very small population)
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This is the way I see it except PR is technically a part of the USA ( it would not be fourth anyway) and I have Mexico and Japan tied for third. I would put uk fifth because donaire is from the USa isn't he?

Honourable mention former soviet bloc countries and Canada (greatest country on the planet and holding its own on the world scene with a very small population)
Mexico should be ahead of cuba, the only way cuba should be ahead of mexico is if your taken size and population into account and if that was the case cuba would be number one by far
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Many a great fighter has come out of Panama also, but due to the US erecting the bogus Homeland Security (SSS), Panama has found new wealth in the non-disclosed banking industry and fighter volume has decreased.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:02 PM   #22
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From about a year ago:

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Still open to suggestions & debate:

Strictly on h2h talent of each country's best trio.

Heavyweight - #1 Ukraine (K2, Glazkov), #2 Russia (Povetkin, Boytsov, Platov), #3 UK (Haye, Fury, Chisora), #4 Cuba (Solis, Perez, Ortiz), #5 USA (Thompson, Jennings, Wilder), #6 Poland (Szpilka, Adamek, Wach), #7Germany (Charr, Wallisch, Hammer), #8 Australia (Browne, de Mori, Leapai), #9 Canada (Stiverne, Bence, Pajkic), #10 Uzbekistan (Chagaev, Muralimov, T. Ibragimov)

Cruiserweight - #1 Germany (Huck, Arslan, Graf), #2 Russia (Lebedev, Chakhkiev, Drozd), #3 Poland (Diablo, Masternak, Kolodziej/Glowacki - can't split them), #4 Cuba (Hernandez, Dorticos, Rodriguez), #5 South Africa (Mchunu, Makabu, Mwekassa), #6 Italy (Branco, Fragomeni, Larghetti), #7 Australia (Green, Pitt, Amman), #8 USA (Chambers, Flores, Thomas), #9 Ukraine (Kucher, Kiladze, Shabransky), #10 Canada (Ross, Daley, Norrad)

Light heavyweight - #1 USA (Hopkins, Cloud, Dirrell), #2 Canada (Pascal, Stevenson, Bute), #3 Russia (Kovalev, Grachev, Bektemirov), #4 UK (Bellew, Cleverly, Maccarinelli), #5 Germany (Braehmer, Woge, Gutknecht), #6 Cuba (Barrera, Gonzalez, Savigne), #7 Poland (Fonfara, Kostecki, Glazewski), #8 France (Mohammedi, Ngumbu, Zoulikha), #9 Colombia (Alvarez, Miranda, Zuniga), #10 Argentina (Bolonti, Pokemon, Corzo)

Super middleweight - #1 UK (Froch, Groves, DeGale), #2 USA (Ward, Rodriguez, Gonzales), #3 Germany (Stieglitz, Abraham, Zeuge), #4 Denmark (Kessler, Markussen, L****n), #5 Mexico (Periban, Sierra, Porky), #6 Argentina (Maderna, Baldomir, Acosta), #7 Russia (Vlasov, Sukhotsky, Kulumbegov), #8 Colombia (Brand, Angulo, Berrio), #9 Poland (Cendrowski, Dobrowski, Wawrzyczek), #10 Italy (Ndiaye, Di Luisa, Sanavia)

Middleweight - #1 UK (Barker, Murray, Macklin), #2 Australia (Geale, Soliman, Mundine), #3 USA (Quillin, Jacobs, Stevens), #4 Argentina (Martinez, Godoy, Heiland), #5 Mexico (Chavez Jr., Rubio, Cota), #6 Russia (Korobov, Meryasev, Chudinov), #7 France (N'Dam N'Jikam, Sainte, Bouadla), #8 Canada (Lemieux, Onolunose, Vanderpool), #9 Ireland (Lee, O'Sullivan, Fitzgerald), #10 Japan (Murata, Ishida, Fuchigami)

Light middleweight - #1 Mexico (Alvarez, Molina, Angulo), #2 USA (Trout, Smith, 3rd spot up for grabs between either Charlo brother or the winner of Martirosyan vs. Andrade), #3 Puerto Rico (Cotto, J. Gonzalez, Flores) #4 UK (Rose, Godding, Smith), #5 Argentina (Maciel, Pitto, Cuello), #6 Cuba (Lara, Jhonson, Fitz), #7 Germany (Culcay, Torosyan, Arik), #8 France (Horta, Soro, Vitu), #9 Ghana (Okine, Sai, Bruce), #10 Brazil (Teixeira, Ataide, Oliveira)

Welterweight - #1 USA (Mayweather, Bradley, Broner), #2 Mexico (Marquez, Soto Karass, Cano), #3 Philippines (Pacquiao, Laurente, Melligen), #4 Argentina (Abregu, Maidana, Chaves), #5 UK (Brook, Gavin, Purdy),#6 Italy (Bundu, Petrucci, Branco), #7 South Africa (van Heerden, Mabuza, Hlatshwayo), #8 Canada (Bizier, Zewski, Decarie), #9 Japan (Kamegai, Watanabe, Takayama), #10 Australia (Omotoso, Zappavigna, Ben Rabah)

Light welterweight - #1 USA (Garcia, Peterson, Alvarado), #2 Argentina (Matthysse, Cuenca, Godoy), #3 Russia (Allakhverdiev, Provodnikov, Papazov), #4 Mexico (DeMarco, Soto, Orozco), #5 Ukraine (Postol, Redkach, Fedchenko), #6 UK (Khan, McCloskey, Hamilton), #7 Dominica (Guzman, Abreu, Cayo), #8 Panama (Mosquera, Mosquera, Renteria), #9 South Africa (Marali, Funeka, Yoyo), #10 Colombia (Prescott, Mendoza, Ramos)

Lightweight - #1 Mexico (Vazquez, Estrada, Beltran) #2 UK (Burns, Mitchell, Crolla), #3 Cuba (Gamboa, Abril, Santana), #4 USA (Crawford, Figueroa, Gonzalez), #5 Russia (Shafikov, Klimov, Nugaev), #6 Uzbekistan (Rahimov, Mamadjanov, Rihsiev), #7 Japan (Aoh, Kato, Arakawa), #8 Italy (Marsili, Giacon, Zamora), #9 Philippines (Farenas, Gesta, Sismundo), #10 Colombia (Perez, Estrada, Buelvas)

Super featherweight - #1 Japan (Uchiyama, Miura, Nakamura), #2 USA (Magdaleno, Cherry, Russell), #3 Mexico (Burgos, Felix, Thompson), #4 Cuba (Barthelemy, Collado, Franco), #5 Puerto Rico (Martinez, Verdejo, Pedraza), #6 Canada (Laham, Usmanee, Lavallee), #7 UK (Smith, Simpson, Buckland), #8 Dominica (Mendez, Rodriguez, Lorenzo), #9 Italy (Boschiero, De Vitis, Riguccini), #10 Australia (Tomlinson, Fleming, Dib)

Featherweight - #1 Mexico (Gonzalez, Mares, Salido), #2 USA (Garcia, Marroquin, Rios), #3 Panama (Corrales, Caballero, Sanchez), #4 Indonesia (John, Yordan, Rasmanudin), #5 Japan (Hosono, Hasegawa, Shimoda), #6 Puerto Rico (Cruz, Lopez, Velez), #7 Russia (Gradovich, Arsaev, Gusev), #8 UK (Selby, Mouneimne, Lindsay), #9 Dominica (Fortuna, Reyes, Marrero), #10 Australia (Brunker, Dib, Smith)

Super bantamweight - #1 Cuba (Rigondeaux, Salinas, Socarras), #2 Mexico (Santa Cruz, Mijares, Gutierrez), #3 Philippines (Donaire, Servania, Francisco), #4 UK (Frampton, Quigg, Galahad), #5 Japan (Ishimoto, Wake, Otake), #6 Puerto Rico (Vazquez Jr., Rosa, Del Valle), #7 USA (Magdaleno, Avalos, Morales), #8 South Africa (Mathebula, Sinyabi, Sonjica), #9 Colombia (Escandon, Romero, Melendez), #10 Dominica (Vicente, Guzman, Dominguez)

Bantamweight - #1 Japan (Yamanaka, Iwasa, T. Kameda), #2 Thailand (Chokchai, Iamsiri, Singyu), #3 Mexico (Ruiz, Ceja, Rojas), #4 Philippines (Lunas, Tapales, Tunacao), #5 USA (Caballero, Ximenez, War.ren), #6 Puerto Rico (Seda, Nieves, Vidal), #7 UK (McDonnell, Haskins, Ward), #8 Ghana (Agbeko, Amuzu, Owusu), #9 South Africa (Malinga, Sityatha, Helebe), #10 Argentina (Santillan, Bulacio, Nieva)

Super flyweight - #1 Mexico (Sanchez Jr., Orucuta, Cuadras), #2 Thailand (Rungvisai, Singwancha, Sithsamerchai), #3 Argentina (Narvaez, Chacon, Sosa), #4 Philippines (Villanueva, Dapudong, Mayol), #5 Japan (Kono, Hisataka, Kino****a), #6 Panama (Vides, Nunez, Escudero), #7 South Africa (Buthelezi, Tete, Mvula), #8 Puerto Rico (Arroyo, Quijano, Perez), #9 UK (Butler, Yafai, Conlan), #10 Nicaragua (Briceno, Rueda, Zamora)

Flyweight - #1 Mexico (Estrada, Marquez, Sosa), #2 Japan (Yaegashi, Igarashi, Kogawa), #3 Philippines (Viloria, Melindo, Fuentes), #4 Thailand (Porpramook, Kaikanha, Pepoem) #5 Argentina (Reveco, Narvaes, Ruiz), #6 South Africa (Mthalane, Sityatha, Chauke), #7 UK (Satchell, Butcher, Cunningham), #8 Puerto Rico (Gonzalez, Arroyo, Soto), #9 France (Guerfi, Masson, Beccu), #10 Spain (Olteanu, Urpi, Pozo)

Light flyweight - #1 Mexico (Hernandez, Fuentes, Guevara), #2 Japan (Ioka, Inoue, Taguchi), #3 Philippines (Nietes, Casimero, Petalcorin), #4 Nicaragua (Gonzalez, Alvarado, Cardoza), #5 South Africa (Joyi, Magwaca, Siila), #6 Thailand (Pharob, Porpramook, Saengthep), #7 Panama (Rios, Diaz, Cabarca), #8 Indonesia (Seran, Monabesa, Amol), #9 Colombia (De La Rosa, Ramos, Fuentes), #10 Puerto Rico (Vazquez, Del Valle, Rivera)

Strawweight - #1 Japan (Miyazaki, Takayama, Hara), #2 Mexico (Silvestre, Lopez, Yedras), #3 South Africa (Budler, Khonco, Kwayiba), #4 Philippines (Cuello, Sabillo, Handig), #5 Nicaragua (Buitrago, Ortiz, Rojas), #6 Thailand (Menayothin, Freshmart, Pigmy), #7 Colombia (Diaz, Estrada, Mendoza), #8 Indonesia (Rachman, Raknafa, Hagler), #9 Tanzania (Mkenya, Kipande, Yahya), #10 Yemen (Raymi, Awdan, Humaidi)
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:02 PM   #23
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Going by the above findings...

Strongest & deepest countries overall across every sport in boxing:

  1. Mexico (#5 SMW, #5 MW, #1 LMW, #2 WW, #4 LWW, #1 LW, #3 SFW, #1 FW, #2 SBW, #3 BW, #1 SFW, #1 FW, #1 LFW, #2 SW) [117pts]
  2. USA (#5 HW, #8 CW, #1 LHW, #2 SMW, #3 MW, #2 LMW, #1 WW, #1 LWW, #4 LW, #2 SFW, #2 FW, #7 SBW, #5 BW) [100pts]
  3. UK (#3 HW, #4 LHW, #1 SMW, #1 MW, #4 LMW, #5 WW, #6 LWW, #2 LW, #7 SFW, #8 FW, #4 SBW, #7 BW, #9 SFW, #7 FW) [86pts]
  4. Japan (#10 MW, #9 WW, #7 LW, #1 SFW, #5 FW, #5 SBW, #1 BW, #5 SFW, #2 FW, #2 LFW, #1 SW) [73pts]
  5. Philippines (#3 WW, #9 LW, #3 SBW, #4 BW, #4 SFW, #3 FW, #3 LFW, #4 SW) [55pts]
  6. Russia (#2 HW, #2 CW, #3 LHW, #7 SMW, #6 MW, #3 LWW, #5 LW, #7 FW) [53pts]
  7. Argentina (#10 LHW, #6 SMW, #4 MW, #5 LMW, #4 WW, #2 LWW, #10 BW, #3 SFW, #5 FW) [50pts]
  8. Cuba (#4 HW, #4 CW, #6 LHW, #6 LMW, #3 LW, #4 SFW, #1 SBW) [49pts]
  9. South Africa (#5 CW, #7 WW, #9 LWW, #8 SBW, #9 BW, #7 SFW,#6 FW, #5 LFW, #3 SW) [40pts]
  10. Puerto Rico (#3 LMW, #5 SFW, #6 FW, #6 SBW, #6 BW, #8 SFW, #8 FW, #10 LFW) [36pts]
  11. Thailand (#2 BW, #2 SFW, #4 FW, #6 LFW, #6 SW) [35pts]
  12. Germany (#7 HW, #1 CW, #5 LHW, #3 SMW, #7 LMW) [23pts]
  13. Canada (#9 HW, #10 CW, #2 LHW, #8 MW, #8 WW, #6 SFW) [23pts]
  14. Panama (#8 LWW, #3 FW, #6 SFW, #7 LFW) [20pts]
  15. Poland (#6 HW, #3 CW, #7 LHW, #9 SMW) [19pts]
  16. Australia (#8 HW, #7 CW, #2 MW, #10 WW, #10 SFW, #10 FW) [19pts]
  17. Ukraine (#1 HW, #9 CW, #5 LWW) [18pts]
  18. Italy (#6 CW, #10 SMW, #6 WW, #8 LW, #9 SFW) [16pts]
  19. Colombia (#9 LHW, #8 SMW, #10 LWW, #10 LW, #9 SBW, #9 LFW, #7 SW) [15pts]
  20. Nicaragua (#10 SFW, #4 LFW, #5 SW) [14pts]
  21. Indonesia (#4 FW, #8 LFW, #8 SW) [13pts]
  22. France (#8 LHW, #7 MW, #8 LMW, #9 FW) [12pts]
  23. Dominica (#7 LWW, #8 SFW, #9 FW, #10 SBW) [10pts]
  24. Uzbekistan (#10 HW, #6 LW) [7pts]
  25. Denmark (#4 SMW) [7pts]
  26. Ghana (#9 LMW, #8 BW) [5pts]
  27. Ireland (#9 MW) [2pts]
  28. Tanzania (#9 SW) [2pts]
  29. Brazil (#10 LMW) [1pt]
  30. Spain (#10 FW) [1pt]
  31. Yemen (#10 SW) [1pt]


I assigned points on a reverse ten-scale for each divisional ranking (so being ranked 1st nets you 10 points and 10th a single point, 2nd nine points and 9th two, etc.) and tallied up to determine these. In case of a tie my thought was to just look at their h2h record in common divisions. IE Germany beats Canada 2-1 in divisions. Germany is #7 HW and #1 CW, trumping Canada's #9 and #10 - even though Canada is #2 at LHW while Germany is #5. Poland slaughters Australia in their common divisions. In lieu of any common ground I gave Uzbekistan the nod over Uzbekistan for placing in two divisions in spite of Denmark getting the highest single ranking between them. For the remaining ties with no commonality, I ranked based on seeming 'toughness' of the division. For instance - Ireland placing #9 at middleweight is more impressive than Tanzania placing #9 at strawweight.

Pretty similar results.
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Wait until we get more Cuban pros
Im excited for the day.

My insomnia needs to be taken care of.
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Im excited for the day.

My insomnia needs to be taken care of.
just watch wsb there all fighting there
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Great responses, fellas.
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That will need some updating.

Just eleven months ago, Lomachenko was yet to debut professionally!

His exploits have big-time implications shaking up both the international feather rankings, and the overall standing of the Ukraine.

Behind him you have Oleg Yefimovych, who is actually quite a decent B-ranger (a SD loss to rugged French southpaw Sofiane Takoucht - who later made himself known in a close rivalry with Alexander Miskirtchian - is no shame, and neither is an 8-round decision loss to Ali Rahimov back when Rahimov was in his late-twenties prime and possessing thrice as much experience as then 4-0 Yefimovych; he also has a couple of passing-fair victories over the likes of Isaeu, Blanco and Merdov) and young unbeaten prospect Oleg Malinovskiy who is yet to step up in the pros but enjoyed some international tourney success in the amateurs, fighting on even terms with some of the best in his weight range from amateur hotbeds like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and his own countrymen.

That is a solid trio, but absent Lomachenko they don't even have three good featherweights.
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