Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan - Page 4

jeffjoiner · 03-11-2013, 06:21 PM

Let's not forget that Cotto fought them both, too. Hell, Cotto even did a catch weight to make the Pac fight happen when he was the champion.

There's a reason JMM and Cotto will get universal standing ovations and hearty applause when they are introduced in the crowd while Mayweather will always get a mixed chorus.

Smokin' Joe · 03-11-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ROACH

You mean, hire an illegal steriods dealer and get juiced up the eyeballs with undetectable PEDs in a 4 MONTH long training camp?

If you're juicing, you don't need a 4 month long camp to get into great shape.

Question. Why are you such a butthurt whining fag?

xRedx · 03-11-2013, 06:27 PM

Good post. This fight not happening will also leave huge gaps in both mayweather and pacquiao's legacies.

boxsensei · 03-11-2013, 07:01 PM

I think when history looks back on this, it will clear that Pacquiao was to blame. Mayweather's drug testing was reasonable, and look how many cheats have been exposed since he started the initiative for more testing.

jeffjoiner · 03-11-2013, 07:09 PM

There is a key term here that most people miss: Good Faith.

Two parties who are genuinely interested in completing a transaction are expected to negotiate in good faith. Both are supposed to make a concerted, honest effort to get the deal done.

Does anybody think for a second that Mayweather and Arum are even capable of acting in good faith with each other?

str1 · 03-11-2013, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boxsensei

I think when history looks back on this, it will clear that Pacquiao was to blame. Mayweather's drug testing was reasonable, and look how many cheats have been exposed since he started the initiative for more testing.

Yes, so reasonable that it was only asked when Manny became a threat to him. I wonder if Floyd would of asked for better test if Manny would of never been in the picture? Afterall he never asked for them before Manny.

Good post, OP.

Basically both sides are to blame for this mega fight not happening in 09 when it mattered the most.

Sweet-D-Willy · 03-11-2013, 09:36 PM

one thing Marquez had that Floyd and Manny didn't: DESPERATION

he'd agree to each and every one of their terms...

when you're the "A-side" and dealing with another A-side fighter, it's gonna be difficult to negotiate.

str1 · 03-11-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bjl12

I completely agree except for the Armstrong analogy. Armstrong is a proven and admitted cheater. The proven and admitted cheater is manny, although his guilty and admission have not yet come. They will in the future though.

JMM did it the right way all along.

Look at this idiot!

SugarShane_24 · 03-11-2013, 09:48 PM

Well, gotta admit, this miss will haunt them on their evaluation as an ATG.

They fought in the same weight class, fought nearly the same names, guaranteed purse to secure funds up to their grandkids, and still never managed to fight.

Let's be clear with the point established by the others which is completely valid.

Floyd insisted in drug testing, why at that time nobody knows but we can speculate. It's either they know the other camp would balk or they were right. But if they were right, why would they settle the defamation case?

Then Pacquiao could've just handled the situation better. He could've said the right words but he let others talk for him, which made it worse and made it look bad for him.

Undisputed · 03-11-2013, 11:21 PM

Let me predict some responses from the esb tards.

ko6.Deal with it.

Why is Marquez ducking a pbf rematch?

Will Marquez find his balls and rematch pbf?

papadoc28 · 03-12-2013, 02:25 AM

Both sides are to blame, but I think if Bob Arum wasn't involved this fight would have happened back 2009. Guaranteed. Look people. We all know Manny is a muppet. If Bob Arum wanted too, he could have set Manny down and convinced him to accept the blood testing with the 14 day cutoff and we all know Manny would have caved. But instead only thing he convinced Manny to do was to file a lawsuit.

Really?

A lawsuit?

Jeopardizing what could have been the biggest PPV fight in history.

Yeah, that's right!

A promoter giving advice that will prevent his biggest promotion ever.

A promoter?

That's like a defense lawyer walking into his court case and when the judge says, "call your first witness" the lawyer instead says, "no need your honor, the defense rest."

It boggles the mind. GB damn sure wanted it. And IMO, MP and PBF did too. But I still can't wrap my head around The Bobfather. He just makes no sense to me. When he dies and rots in Hell only then can boxing start taking steps in returning to its former glory. Come on Lucifer! Tighten that choke chain around Arum's neck and bring him on home.

uraharakisuke · 03-12-2013, 03:03 AM

As someone else pointed out, if JMM is getting so much praise why didn't he try to clear out the 140 division? Don't act like he just did it for the legacy; money was more of an issue.

Vidic · 03-12-2013, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by uraharakisuke

As someone else pointed out, if JMM is getting so much praise why didn't he try to clear out the 140 division? Don't act like he just did it for the legacy; money was more of an issue.

It's not really about Juan I could well have left him out of the title - the point was the disgraceful actions of the two biggest starts in the sport

this_and_that · 03-12-2013, 10:56 AM

Can't agree more.

03-11-2013, 06:21 PM	#46
jeffjoiner Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Trying to make a dollar Posts: 10,141 vCash: 5174	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan Let's not forget that Cotto fought them both, too. Hell, Cotto even did a catch weight to make the Pac fight happen when he was the champion. There's a reason JMM and Cotto will get universal standing ovations and hearty applause when they are introduced in the crowd while Mayweather will always get a mixed chorus.
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03-11-2013, 06:27 PM	#48
xRedx Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,839 vCash: 955	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan Good post. This fight not happening will also leave huge gaps in both mayweather and pacquiao's legacies.
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boxsensei Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: H-Town Posts: 3,616 vCash: 1408	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan I think when history looks back on this, it will clear that Pacquiao was to blame. Mayweather's drug testing was reasonable, and look how many cheats have been exposed since he started the initiative for more testing.
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03-11-2013, 07:09 PM	#50
jeffjoiner Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Trying to make a dollar Posts: 10,141 vCash: 5174	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan There is a key term here that most people miss: Good Faith. Two parties who are genuinely interested in completing a transaction are expected to negotiate in good faith. Both are supposed to make a concerted, honest effort to get the deal done. Does anybody think for a second that Mayweather and Arum are even capable of acting in good faith with each other?
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Sweet-D-Willy 2S-2B ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: L.A. Posts: 3,550 vCash: 500	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan one thing Marquez had that Floyd and Manny didn't: DESPERATION he'd agree to each and every one of their terms... when you're the "A-side" and dealing with another A-side fighter, it's gonna be difficult to negotiate.
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03-11-2013, 09:48 PM	#54
SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the few, the proud, the Philippines Posts: 4,798 vCash: 0	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan Well, gotta admit, this miss will haunt them on their evaluation as an ATG. They fought in the same weight class, fought nearly the same names, guaranteed purse to secure funds up to their grandkids, and still never managed to fight. Let's be clear with the point established by the others which is completely valid. Floyd insisted in drug testing, why at that time nobody knows but we can speculate. It's either they know the other camp would balk or they were right. But if they were right, why would they settle the defamation case? Then Pacquiao could've just handled the situation better. He could've said the right words but he let others talk for him, which made it worse and made it look bad for him.
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03-11-2013, 11:21 PM	#55
Undisputed Cant G no other way ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: L.A. Posts: 2,584 vCash: 661	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan Let me predict some responses from the esb tards. ko6.Deal with it. Why is Marquez ducking a pbf rematch? Will Marquez find his balls and rematch pbf?
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03-12-2013, 02:25 AM	#56
papadoc28 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,124 vCash: 500	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan Both sides are to blame, but I think if Bob Arum wasn't involved this fight would have happened back 2009. Guaranteed. Look people. We all know Manny is a muppet. If Bob Arum wanted too, he could have set Manny down and convinced him to accept the blood testing with the 14 day cutoff and we all know Manny would have caved. But instead only thing he convinced Manny to do was to file a lawsuit. Really? A lawsuit? Jeopardizing what could have been the biggest PPV fight in history. Yeah, that's right! A promoter giving advice that will prevent his biggest promotion ever. A promoter? That's like a defense lawyer walking into his court case and when the judge says, "call your first witness" the lawyer instead says, "no need your honor, the defense rest." It boggles the mind. GB damn sure wanted it. And IMO, MP and PBF did too. But I still can't wrap my head around The Bobfather. He just makes no sense to me. When he dies and rots in Hell only then can boxing start taking steps in returning to its former glory. Come on Lucifer! Tighten that choke chain around Arum's neck and bring him on home.
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03-12-2013, 03:03 AM	#57
uraharakisuke Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,225 vCash: 759	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan As someone else pointed out, if JMM is getting so much praise why didn't he try to clear out the 140 division? Don't act like he just did it for the legacy; money was more of an issue.
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03-12-2013, 10:56 AM	#59
this_and_that Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,088 vCash: 75	Re: Mayweather & Pacquiao should have taken a lesson from Juan Can't agree more.
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