Exclusive P.E.D.'s in Boxing with Dr. Margaret Goodman

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by o_money

Guys its not the fact that his body was ripped that got everyone up in arms.....its that he'd never had a ripped body before and that he's nearly 40 years old.

Why do people come on here spouting complete inaccuracies?

He's never had a ripped body?

37 years old, before Heredia.


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Let me lay this out for you straight.

When an elite athlete who was already in amazing shape at 37 years old, gets a new trainer who modernizes his methods, gets him training in new ways and weight training which he's never done before.. he's going to improve slightly, 39 years old or not. Especially when you take a 4 month training camp to do so. The average camp is 8 to 10 weeks. The differences in his body aren't even extreme for fuck's sake. How does Bhop get in the shape he does at 48? Sergio Martinez? Carl Froch?

What the fuck aren't people understanding about this?

[The Wanderer]

Everyone tells me that if you're not doing blood [testing] just forget about it

No, and that's not true. Urine testing can be more beneficial in many instances, for instance if you're testing for EPO. ... Most of the tests are urine tests.

Any chance this will finally, after 4 years, make some of the self appointed experts in the General Forum shut the fuck up? Or are we now going to have to hear about how the board's experts now know better than Dr. Goodman?

Eh, why am I even asking, since I know it won't happen.

[o_money]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

Why do people come on here spouting complete inaccuracies?

He's never had a ripped body?

37 years old, before Heredia.


http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/y...os-500x389.jpg


39.

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps98f01bbc.jpg





Let me lay this out for you straight.

When an elite athlete who was already in amazing shape at 37 years old, gets a new trainer who modernizes his methods, gets him training in new ways and weight training which he's never done before.. he's going to improve slightly, 39 years old or not. Especially when you take a 4 month training camp to do so. The average camp is 8 to 10 weeks. The differences in his body aren't even extreme for fuck's sake. How does Bhop get in the shape he does at 48? Sergio Martinez? Carl Froch?

What the fuck aren't people understanding about this?

Lol okay fine if thats how you want to play it.....He's 37 years old and he has a ripped body when he's never had one before.....same argument, different starting point.

Let me lay this out for you straight.

The vast majority of elite level athletes are on PEDs or have been on PEDs.

Don't believe me? Ask ****** Fortune, former strength and conditioning coach of manny pacquiao.....

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^^^What the fuck aren't people understanding about this?????

Its also funny you mention BHop, Martinez and Froch.....None of those guys has ever undergone random testing. So as far as I`m concerned that doesn`t really prove much.

Sergio, I'll at least give credit, he does want Chavez to undergo random testing if there is a rematch....

BHop on the other hand has flat out refused random testing in the past. And has even attacked the man who asked him to undergo random testing.....not the most convincing example.

Oh and I can play the picture game too...

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http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/18...mayweather.jpg

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/J...QkdQqrCIDl.jpg



http://www.bestboxingblog.com/wp-con...ne-Pound-1.jpg


http://myboxing.com/wp-content/uploa...iaoWeighIn.jpg


But anyways, my basic belief is pretty much in line with ****** Fortune`s. And that is that most of the top boxers are on PEDs. I just prefer to be more of a realist about that situation then you or all the other people trying so hard to keep their heads in the sand.

p.s. do you think I think he wasn't using PEDs before Heredia? Let me put it to you another way, do you think a guy whose never used drugs goes straight to using heroin and crack? I think its far more likely he hired the guy to show him how to use them right, as opposed to hiring the guy to show him how to use them period....

[RazorHandz]

Originally Posted by Rico Spadafora

Any tested athlete that uses nandrolone is an idiot. It stays in the sytem longer than pretty much any other compound.

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Originally Posted by o_money

Guys its not the fact that his body was ripped that got everyone up in arms.....its that he'd never had a ripped body before and that he's nearly 40 years old. Anyways neither here nor there. Also I think you guys are missing the point. What she said was just cause a guy's not ripped doesn't mean that he's not on PEDS....but thats not saying that the ripped ass 40 year old who's never had a yoked body isn't on PEDs....Her answer was what you call "side stepping the question".

Watch the weigh in for the 3rd Pac fight, he was already ripped. He simply got more acclimated to the weight.

[Cableaddict]

I like her basic attitude:

Goal #1 is simply to get the information out there. (To the commissions, the networks, the media, the fighters themselves, and the fans.)

Gola #2 is to hopefully have that information incorporated by all the commissions.

This is a realistic outlook.

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Also, kudos to that interviewer. He asked some great questions.

[o_money]

Originally Posted by RazorHandz

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Watch the weigh in for the 3rd Pac fight, he was already ripped. He simply got more acclimated to the weight.

Ya its a fair enough point. But at the end of the day whose to say he hadn't started taking the juice before then....or that he needed the juice to actually "acclimate to the weight". Anyways I'm basically working under the assumption that most guys are on the stuff. Some guys are doping to the gills and others are just playing around with them.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by o_money

Lol okay fine if thats how you want to play it.....He's 37 years old and he has a ripped body when he's never had one before.....same argument, different starting point.

Let me lay this out for you straight.

The vast majority of elite level athletes are on PEDs or have been on PEDs.

Don't believe me? Ask ****** Fortune, former strength and conditioning coach of manny pacquiao.....

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

^^^What the fuck aren't people understanding about this?????

Its also funny you mention BHop, Martinez and Froch.....None of those guys has ever undergone random testing. So as far as I`m concerned that doesn`t really prove much.

Sergio, I'll at least give credit, he does want Chavez to undergo random testing if there is a rematch....

BHop on the other hand has flat out refused random testing in the past. And has even attacked the man who asked him to undergo random testing.....not the most convincing example.

Oh and I can play the picture game too...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...-diaz3-jpg.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/18...mayweather.jpg

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/J...QkdQqrCIDl.jpg



http://www.bestboxingblog.com/wp-con...ne-Pound-1.jpg


http://myboxing.com/wp-content/uploa...iaoWeighIn.jpg


But anyways, my basic belief is pretty much in line with ****** Fortune`s. And that is that most of the top boxers are on PEDs. I just prefer to be more of a realist about that situation then you or all the other people trying so hard to keep their heads in the sand.

p.s. do you think I think he wasn't using PEDs before Heredia? Let me put it to you another way, do you think a guy whose never used drugs goes straight to using heroin and crack? I think its far more likely he hired the guy to show him how to use them right, as opposed to hiring the guy to show him how to use them period....

So basically, what you're saying is you think most boxers are on PEDs. If that's the case then it's an even playing field and it's a moot point anyway, so why should anyone single him out?

I noticed most of the pictures you posted were from the Mayweather fight. Note that that fight was his first above 140 pounds, after jumping 2 weight classes straight from lightweight to take the fight, all that while still training by throwing rocks etc. A rational person would take that into account. He's had 3 fights above 140 in his career. As noted above, it does indeed take fighters time to grow into a new weight class. By the 3rd Pacquiao fight he was in better shape at the weight.

His body has looked much the same throughout his entire career. He has a little more mass on his shoulders and biceps now, but as I said, new modern training regimes, doing weight training for the first time and 4 month long training camps are going to do that for an Elite Athlete. Age is irrelevant for certain fighters who are genetically lucky. JMM, Hopkins, Froch, Sergio etc. There's a vast list of names one could mention. And I'll say again, if you're on PEDs you would not need 4 months to build that physique.

But it's an irrelevant conversation anyway because PEDs do not automatically equal muscular physique.


But hey man, if you believe they're all on it, none of this will matter anyway. Think what you will.

[Kevin Willis]

You people are so ignorant and short sighted.

* PED usage actually levels the playing field
* You want your fighters on PED's
* Promoters are only going to pass testing expense onto the fighters

Thanks Nanny State...

[dodong]

with JMM, it's not only the sudden physique change that aroused suspicion....but it happened the same time when he hired a PED expert.

[dodong]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

"It's not necessarily the chiseled guy that's using. A lot of these drugs don't make someone look superhuman or help them add musle mass."

Been saying that to every fool pointing to JMM's body as proof of PED use.

The likes of Donaire could just as easily be on them even though he's not muscular at all. Majority of PEDs just help to increase endurance.

Interesting video, she knows what she's talking about. When you hear her talking about USADA's testing technique's you realise how far out of touch they are.

you can keep spraying all the deodorant you want, jmm will have that PED stink forever.

[ROACH]

Originally Posted by dodong

you can keep spraying all the deodorant you want, jmm will have that PED stink forever.

I don't know why that dude stays on his dick.

You know why people ask dumbass questions like, "Could Marquez compete against Bradley or Rios?"

Because everybody is thinkin, "This mother fucker took roids for Pac, but that don't mean he's gonna take em for Bradley or Rios, cuz the fact of the matter is, he's an old ass mother fucker."

If they really thought the win was legitimate, there wouldn't be any dumb questions like that.

I mean, he just knocked out of the greatest of all time, and they ask if he can hang with fuckin Rios.

Get the fuck outta here.

Then you got smokin dick, talkin about Foreman, when he never watched Foreman fight and saw his cross arm defense.

He watched only Marquez's good fights, but he didn't see the one against Fedcheynko where Marquez looked like pure shit and people were sayin he's finished.

I mean, the man eats his own shit, drinks his piss, and puts cups in his asshole, and his jealousy is OBVIOUS. People don't think he would use riods?

GTFOutta here.

[SJS19]

Originally Posted by dodong

with JMM, it's not only the sudden physique change that aroused suspicion....but it happened the same time when he hired a PED expert.

Yeah, how could his physique change when he hired a S&C coach? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by dodong

you can keep spraying all the deodorant you want, jmm will have that PED stink forever.

It's funny you mention that, considering people question JMM over one fight, whereas they question half of Pacquiao's career.

Make of it what you will.