Andre SOG Ward the number 2 pfp fighter in the world is back in the ym {video]

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by turbotime

One fight in a year and a half doesn't cut it when the others are doing great work against #1 and #2 guys at higher weights than they are cut out for.

Ward has already achieved lineal status at a very legit weight class. He's at the point now where it's literally difficult for him to find opponents. Also, Bad Chad VOLUNTEERED to go down in weight. He said he could do it and Ward had no problems with it. Ward soundly beat "the man" at 175.

Basically everyone he's been in there with he's wrecked. I don't know how he could be any lower than #3 considering he's never ducked anyone and has, for the most part, dominated good competition (Froch, Kessler, AA, Bika, Chad, etc.).

JMM is great, no doubt, but the problem is that manny is/was overrated. He was fighting far over-the-hill fighters and looking amazing doing it. His best win (above 135) was Bradley and, while he definitively won the fight, he didn't exactly shine in so doing. And he lost to JMM at least 3 out of their 4 fights. With that in mind I don't feel the need to give JMM more props than what he actually deserves.

Floyd
Ward
3-5 (Any combination of Sexy/Nonito/JMM)

[Elliot]

I think there is a legit argument for Ward to be anywhere from 1-5 at the minute, depending on if you discount Mayweather for his lack of activity and how highly you rate going up in weight.

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by bjl12

Ward has already achieved lineal status at a very legit weight class. He's at the point now where it's literally difficult for him to find opponents. Also, Bad Chad VOLUNTEERED to go down in weight. He said he could do it and Ward had no problems with it. Ward soundly beat "the man" at 175.

Basically everyone he's been in there with he's wrecked. I don't know how he could be any lower than #3 considering he's never ducked anyone and has, for the most part, dominated good competition (Froch, Kessler, AA, Bika, Chad, etc.).

JMM is great, no doubt, but the problem is that manny is/was overrated. He was fighting far over-the-hill fighters and looking amazing doing it. His best win (above 135) was Bradley and, while he definitively won the fight, he didn't exactly shine in so doing. And he lost to JMM at least 3 out of their 4 fights. With that in mind I don't feel the need to give JMM more props than what he actually deserves.

Floyd
Ward
3-5 (Any combination of Sexy/Nonito/JMM)

Marquez moving up and schooling the #2 P4P guy Pac twice is far better than what Ward has been doing.

[PrinceN]

Originally Posted by turbotime

Marquez moving up and schooling the #2 P4P guy Pac twice is far better than what Ward has been doing.

Ward was number 2

[KO-KING]

Originally Posted by bjl12

Ward and Floyd as 3 and 4? With JMM as 1?

Obvious pacfuck is obvious.

Go home. manny's still sleeping.

pacquiao's not even in the list??

Anyway, JMM has the best win, Floyd has cotto and ortiz recently, Nonito has Montiel and Nishioka and ward has froch, dawson (drained)

So JMM is number 1, floyd has fough near a year ago against a not so good cotto. Nonito fought a guy who was undefeated for 10 years.

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by PrinceN

Ward was number 2

No.

[HoldMyBeer]

Originally Posted by turbotime

Marquez moving up and schooling the #2 P4P guy Pac twice is far better than what Ward has been doing.

good talking point that one

been a big fan of marquez for a long time, and always felt he would be overlooked as a modern day G

thankfully he won't now - ward has done as much as he can in a much shorter time frame, but the injuries he's had are serious business, and it's not a given in my book that he will come back as easily as some may think

[Pimp C]

Good to see him back but I have
1.PBF
2.JMM
3.Ward

[SouthpawJab]

Originally Posted by Imperial1

Ward is the # 1 p4p fight in the world get it right !! No part time fighters here !

You do realize Ward and Floyd fought the same number of times in 2012, and Floyd actually has a fight scheduled?

[PrinceN]

Originally Posted by turbotime

One fight in a year and a half doesn't cut it when the others are doing great work against #1 and #2 guys at higher weights than they are cut out for.

Floyd and Ward are the best two fighters in the world no matter how active they are

[Bogotazo]

Originally Posted by PrinceN

Ward was number 2

Floyd was number 2. Manny was number 1 going into the 3rd fight with Marquez. JMM got robbed, then Manny got robbed, then Marquez knocked Manny the fuck out. IMO Floyd should be number 2.

Regardless, Ward's win over Dawson is inferior to Floyd's win over Cotto and Marquez's win(s) over Pacquiao. And Pacquiao's win over Bradley is probably better too (though he did just lose, although to a better fighter than anyone Ward has ever fought and might ever fight).

I love Andre Ward, but he's not number 2. I expect he'll be #1 in the future. But you have a habit of ranking fighters higher than others simply because you like them better and this is a case of just that.



But can somebody else please comment on the clips themselves?

[Boxalot]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Nonito Donaire
4. Andre Ward
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Carl Froch
9. Abner Mares
10. Timothy Bradley/Brian Viloria