Similarities between Nonito Donaire and Oscar De La Hoya

[ReE13]

Funny thing us sjs was 14 during that whole period

[Kid Cubano]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

Sorry buddy,

This is all wrong!

De La Hoya, upright flat footed boxer/puncher, who punched well in short combinations, good engine, good chin. Relied on his physical attributes (specifically 130 through 140) more than his boxing ability, good punch variation dangerous left hand. Best on the front foot bullying opponents with his varied attack, best punch left uppercut/left hook.

Donaire, boxer/puncher with freakish almost God given ability to judge distance, sharp in/out movement, timing; second to none, technically sound in every area, decent chin, good durability, can punch well in short, sharp combinations but is more known as a single puncher. Relies on ability before size, best on the back foot allowing opponents to come onto his left hook.

Disagree .
DLH boxing abilities are underrated here,flat footed?
Donaire so far has imposed his size fighting at a very low weight with a very large frame. But I don't question his boxing abilities which are beyond decent.

[SJS19]

Originally Posted by ReE13

Funny thing us sjs was 14 during that whole period

So?

By that logic, nobody who wasn't born in the 40's can have a valid opinion on Muhammad Ali.

Idiot

[Post Box]

My number 1 mate Scott just lyrically assassinated every single one you chumps.

[Flexb]

Originally Posted by Boxmaster

I do see quite a bit of similarity. I also think they both have star potential. I think the difference is Donaire has a bit more skill than DLH ever had but DLH had more star power than Donaire will probably ever have.


The styles are a lot similar but I think DLH used his jab more and his footwork wasn't as good. I think DLH had more handspeed also.

More skill?? Even as an amateur Oscar had quadruple the wins and half the losses. Not to mention Olympic gold. You don't get better skill then that. I don't even have to mention his professional fights.

[Flexb]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

Sorry buddy,

This is all wrong!

De La Hoya, upright flat footed boxer/puncher, who punched well in short combinations, good engine, good chin. Relied on his physical attributes (specifically 130 through 140) more than his boxing ability, good punch variation dangerous left hand. Best on the front foot bullying opponents with his varied attack, best punch left uppercut/left hook.

You forget - one of the best jabs in the sport, left hook power of a light heavweight while he was lightweight that was equally as effective to the head or body, granite chin if you're speaking overall career.

[Flexb]

Originally Posted by Kid Cubano

Disagree .
DLH boxing abilities are underrated here,flat footed?
Donaire so far has imposed his size fighting at a very low weight with a very large frame. But I don't question his boxing abilities which are beyond decent.

Yea, Oscar was usually on his toes until later in his career. Under Alcazar is boxing ability was fantastic. For fuk sakes, the guy bested Pernell Whitaker when Pernel was undefeated and still p4p rated #1. And dont even give me the loss shit, Pernell simply got outworked and outpunched with effective punches. You can compare Nonito to Oscar, but he is a league below..

[thewinfella]

Originally Posted by Kid Cubano

Disagree .
DLH boxing abilities are underrated here,flat footed?
Donaire so far has imposed his size fighting at a very low weight with a very large frame. But I don't question his boxing abilities which are beyond decent.

I dont ever remember saying Oscar couldnt box, thats the 2nd person who's shouted at me for that? , I dont think the destruction of Darchynian and single punch KO of Montiel had much to do with his size! down at the lower weight classes Donaire has utilised his reach yes but he doesnt bully his way through fights the way Oscar did at 130 through 140.


Im not saying Oscar was not a technically capable fighter, he's

WTF just happened to my post ????

[thewinfella]

Originally Posted by SJS19

Where did I claim it happened?

I said 'planned'

Knowing what we know about Floyd mate I sincerely believe the rematch was never on

[PIPO23]

Both beat up midgets. I agree!!

[DobyZhee]

one wears female underwear,one acts like they are wearing female underwear

[JDezi4]

Its funny that I'm being disagreed with so much, but nobody is actually pointing out what was wrong with the things I posted, eg, left hand dominant, finesse boxers, power punchers, stepping out of a shadow

I never said they were exactly alike, I just said had many similarities. Certainly more similarities than DLH had with Ortiz and Canelo

[Kid Cubano]

Originally Posted by JDezi4

Its funny that I'm being disagreed with so much, but nobody is actually pointing out what was wrong with the things I posted, eg, left hand dominant, finesse boxers, power punchers, stepping out of a shadow

I never said they were exactly alike, I just said had many similarities. Certainly more similarities than DLH had with Ortiz and Canelo

Both had terrific left hooks, I agree.
I agree about more resemblance than Ortiz and canelo.
DLH 130-140 imposed his size, but when he climbed to 160, Sturm was laughing at his power.At 154 his best performance was the destruction of a roided Vargas.
We don't know how far Nonito will carry his power,looking good at 122 so far.

[HawkFan16]

Originally Posted by JDezi4

Its funny that I'm being disagreed with so much, but nobody is actually pointing out what was wrong with the things I posted, eg, left hand dominant, finesse boxers, power punchers, stepping out of a shadow

I never said they were exactly alike, I just said had many similarities. Certainly more similarities than DLH had with Ortiz and Canelo

DLH is more of a boxer-puncher with solid counterpuncher and stalking skills when the situation called for it (he was a much better stalker at Lightweight than he was anywhere else though.) His first preference in his prime was to pump that jab out and shoot combinations on the fly though, usually after an opponent came to him. I'll say he was an outside counter-boxer with punching power.

Nonito is more of a counterpuncher/conservative slugger, and isn't as comfortable pressing the action (though when faced with someone like Mathebula or Vasquez or Narvaez who is just shelling up, he'll take the lead.) He sits downs and loads up on his shots more than Oscar did in most cases as well. He just seems to want the one-punch highlight reel KO more than Oscar did, Oscar was just focused on getting the win, not so much on how he did it.

I do agree with your comments about how they're stepping out of shadows though. Oscar had trouble gaining acceptance both because he wasn't a brawler/swarmer who got in wars like past Mexican greats, and similarly Nonito is a much more cerebral fighter than the ultra aggressive, explosive tornado Pacquiao was in his prime. That (and the fact Oscar was an American) hurt his ability to gain acceptance with the hardcore Mexican fans.

Luckily for Oscar though, the fact he was ***y Sergio before ***y Sergio (no homo) helped him bring in female viewers and appeal more to American boxing fans, which helped more than make up for his not-huge support and acceptance from regular Mexican fans. Nonito, unfortunately for him, doesn't have a secondary hook to help him make up for not being as exciting as Pacquiao, nor does he have the same high level of competition available to him to cement his greatness and earn the respect of the boxing public that Oscar, Chavez, and Pacquiao all had.

I think Nonito will have a fine career and get into the HOF for sure, but I can't visualize seeing him as a big crossover star. He's a little too old to start now, and he's too low in weights in an era that isn't particularly strong to put together an epic run and draw serious public attention. I don't think he'll measure up to Oscar or Pacquiao in the public mind.