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Old 09-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #76
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So why didn't Floyd sign, when Manny agreed to everything in the end? He'd finally gotten what he'd always wanted.

He'd told the whole world that Manny had to take the test.

Manny agreed, and agreed to take 45%.

So Floyd had got his wish and 55%.


What happened? Did Floyd try and make the fight?

No!

He offered Manny a flat fee, and then wanted the ENTIRE PPV revenue, from a fight that had realistic expectations of grossing between $200-300m.
why all the rhetoric. gbp offered to sit and work out a fair split for both guys, pac fought bradley instead
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:26 AM   #77
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Didn't Arthur also say "I'd fight him for free" ?

Sturm missed so many opportunities.
Free or like for a dollar, something like that yeah.
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:27 AM   #78
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because he chose not to take part in the tournament...

he didn't beat anyone before it, rested on his laurels because he had 'a belt', then stepped up for the first time against froch and got destroyed!

in a world where there are half a dozen 'world titles' for each weight division, bute showed EXACTLY why there are so many bogus 'champions' per weight division

goodnight!
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:35 PM   #79
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The bolded bit has to come with the caveats that the challenging fighter has earned the shot (which is a very subjective matter) and that the guy called out has no legitimate reason for not taking the fight (and financial reasons are legitimate in many cases)

This is a general point, I'm not challenging the specifics of the cases you mention BTW.
Correct.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:41 PM   #80
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Lennox Lewis probably has the longest list of being a duckee from an elite fighter:

Ruddock-only fought him because was forced with eliminator
Bowe-threw belt in the can
Foreman-simply said no thanks and didn't want to fight Lennox
Tyson-paid millions to avoid the fight
Holyfield-dragged his feet as long as he could
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:43 PM   #81
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bowe ducked lewis,period.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:44 PM   #82
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Lennox Lewis probably has the longest list of being a duckee from an elite fighter:

Ruddock-only fought him because was forced with eliminator
Bowe-threw belt in the can
Foreman-simply said no thanks and didn't want to fight Lennox
Tyson-paid millions to avoid the fight
Holyfield-dragged his feet as long as he could
So three ducks and two half-ducks. (ducklings? Anyway you can't say Ruddock and Holyfield ducked him when they did in fact ultimately step in with him, even if they intended to duck him...)

Also I love the word duckee.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:44 PM   #83
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It was most blatant bitschery in recent years.

It was as bad or worse than Bowe throwing his titles in the trash.

Ward is sooooooooooooo lucky that Bute made the career altering mistake of underestimating the hostile crowd and the resilience of the caged dog mentality that Froch had before that fight.

Had Bute brought Froch to Canada, and had Froch resolved to retire, Bute wouldve won his little UD and Ward would have been forced to put his title in the bin, just like Bee-atch, I mean Bowe.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:49 PM   #84
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So three ducks and two half-ducks. (ducklings? Anyway you can't say Ruddock and Holyfield ducked him when they did in fact ultimately step in with him, even if they intended to duck him...)

Also I love the word duckee.
I count Ruddock as a full duck because he repeatedly said he wouldn't fight him til forced.

Evander was never forced to fight Lennox, but did delay it as long as possible.

So Lennox was the duckee clearly by 4 high profile fighters and half a duck by another.

It would be an interesting study, but I don't see another high profile fighter in the modern era who has more evidenced of being ducked.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:52 PM   #85
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we need to remember in some cases it's not the fighter it's his management.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:55 PM   #86
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I count Ruddock as a full duck because he repeatedly said he wouldn't fight him til forced.

Evander was never forced to fight Lennox, but did delay it as long as possible.

So Lennox was the duckee clearly by 4 high profile fighters and half a duck by another.

It would be an interesting study, but I don't see another high profile fighter in the modern era who has more evidenced of being ducked.
How much $$$$ did Lewis pay Corrie Sanders not to fight????


Come to think of it

How many SP, top 100 HWs, does Lewis have on his resume?????
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:56 PM   #87
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we need to remember in some cases it's not the fighter it's his management.
True but in the case of my example in the OP, it comes off plain as day being just as much Amir's reluctance as Frank's.

Khan was very mouthy regarding Thaxton but if he wanted to prove himself the best lightweight in the UK in that period he ought to have gotten him in the ring and showed it, and didn't.

He was hardly the sort of suppressible persona that Frank could hush up and tell he was protecting for their own good, either. The cold abrupt manner in which Khan eventually split with him a couple of years later to defect to GBP with no advance notice showed how little he feared the wrath of Fish Eyes.
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:00 PM   #88
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Pac saying no to the original 50/50 2 week cut off then turning down 40 million has to be the biggest duck...
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:33 PM   #89
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Pac saying no to the original 50/50 2 week cut off then turning down 40 million has to be the biggest duck...
Don't forget, refusing OSDT, then demanding it himself once the Floyd fight is no longer in the picture.
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:47 PM   #90
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Bowe ducking LL for sure !
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