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View Poll Results: Has the Pac's Camp words and actions seem innocent or Guilty?
Guilty 73 56.15%
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:11 AM   #76
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Are we supposed to judge now a person's guilt by what he says or do?

That would be nice though because I really can judge by the way you start a thread that you are an idiot. Presumption of innocence is not needed as it is so obvious with the thread.
I don't think he was inclining that Pac was guilty but that his actions are of someone that is, if he posted another time, I missed it, I didn't go through the details of each post.


But honestly, Pac's action are of that of someone who is guilty, doesn't mean he is though.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:15 AM   #77
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We dont actually hav proof but his actions wud suggest he is guilty.
Why because he destroys the same opponents floyd struggles with
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:17 AM   #78
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I don't think he was inclining that Pac was guilty but that his actions are of someone that is, if he posted another time, I missed it, I didn't go through the details of each post.


But honestly, Pac's action are of that of someone who is guilty, doesn't mean he is though.
The problem with using subjective measure to get an objective assessment like guilt is that it is clouded so much by bias.

See the poll and most of those who are critical to Pac will see him as guilty while the Pactards will see him as innocent.

Me, I don't care. Prove him guilty, then he is guilty and we move on.




Back to our earlier arguments before the fight where I stated that Mosley is Old and he would have endurance issues. Man I was totally wrong. and I admit it. You are correct in our debate. I vividly remember you accosting at me for how wrong I was and how I hated Mayweather.

Based on the overwhelming majority in ESB think, Mosley is close to perfect and his age has nothing to do with it and it is all Mayweather. Only SDSFinest generously admitted that 60 percent of it is due to Mayweather's supremacy and 40 per cent of it is due to Mosley physical staus meaning age, endurance etc.) I am sure that you will be as generous as SDSFinest and probably credit the outcome of the fight to 90 per cent genius of Mayweather.

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Old 05-06-2010, 12:45 AM   #79
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It was a good written article. One of the most objective I have seen bringing both sides of the story at each point. Only at the end would you know where the author stands on the issue.

On hindsight, with the circumstances of GBP cancelling Arum's trip to Texas, I think the fight was already dead. The signs were there at that point early.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:38 AM   #80
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I still would like elaboration on the end of the article, when Hauser was implying that De La Hoya got caught using something during his career.
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:02 AM   #81
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Default Re: STEROIDS- Has Pac's words and actions been that of a innocent person or Guilty??

IF You Got pulled over by a cop and he SUSSPECTED

you had been drinking alcohol ??????

would you say ........Ohhh i don't want to give a urine or blood test today

can you wait 14 days as i might feel weak if give a sample today


NO


If your gonna give an excuse ........

GIVE A ****ING DECENT ONE

bob arum used to be a lawyer....you would think he could teach
manny how to tell a convincing lie ?????
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:10 AM   #82
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Void never asked those extra tests for anyone except Pac. Void is afraid of Pac, he ran like Hell! Void is a damned coward!

Mosely had Void ready to go, but suddenly stopped throwing punches. What was he told?
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:32 AM   #83
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One of the best articles I have read about this issue. Hauser is a great author/writer
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agree with article completely....
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:34 AM   #85
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There is zero proof that Pac is a drug addict. All these threads will really help Pac's law suit against Void.
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:40 AM   #86
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Good article.
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Void never asked those extra tests for anyone except Pac. Void is afraid of Pac, he ran like Hell! Void is a damned coward!

Mosely had Void ready to go, but suddenly stopped throwing punches. What was he told?
He just asked Mosley and then they did it.
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Where is all the proof by Void and fans that Pac is a drug addict?
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:43 AM   #89
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What? This crap happened ONLY when Pac moved up. Nobody thought what he was doing was "amazing" until he had tough fights then BOOM he looked completely rejuvenated. It has nothing to do with his WHOLE career!!!
So you're saying Pac is guilty of steroid use since when?

2003?
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This post "before" the fight:

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Move from from 7:10 to the end. Nazim mentions that they were never told needles were involved in those tests and also says that he was told Mayweather didn't get tested like Shane was in "some" ways. I might be mixed up but is this what he's saying?, if so why hasn't ANYONE mentioned anything about something as critical as this?. I might have understood them wrong so will appreciate some explanation fr

Wonder what the poster thinks now, after seeing Mosley gassed out after only two rounds? This has never happened to Mosely, ever.
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