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View Poll Results: Bernard Hopkins vs Marvin Hagler
Hagler by KO 2 9.52%
Hagler on points 12 57.14%
Hopkins by KO 0 0%
Hopkins on points 7 33.33%
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:01 PM   #226
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in addition, Tito's plodding footwork just got worse and worse as he put on weight.
H was definitely more of a plodder at 160, with that extra weight settling in around his waist.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:03 PM   #227
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No he didn't FFS. He was on a nice little run and Felix annihilated him.

I'll say it again; Trinidad was fine at 160. Was coming off two stoppages over Joppy at middleweight and Vargas at light-middleweight, whilst looking tremendous in the process. Was heavily favored to beat Hopkins, also. Only after the fight is Trinidad considered nothing but a small welter in the eyes of some people.
I still don`t think that Joppy was anything special so beating him doesn`t get Tito much points... And Vargas even less points.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:06 PM   #228
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We can all respectfully disagree, that what makes the sport so interesting. Everyone has an opinion ! I do think though that BHop has gotten considerably more `juic` as his longevity continues . It kind of blurs people`s thinking. He is definitley one for the ages and I love watching him school these kids !

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Old 03-17-2013, 04:07 PM   #229
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Hagler would have battered him regardless. Hearns isn't knocking him out and he's not keeping him off for 12 rounds.
Correct, to say otherwise is nonsensical... Hearns landed THE shot, Hagler didn`t fall, fight over ...
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:39 PM   #230
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Sure, I agree with all this. Hence why Hopkins schooled him. But don't come on here and tell me "Joppy kinda sucked." Fighters who "kinda suck" don't secure victories over Howard Eastman, Jonathan Reid, Roberto Duran, etc. Or win a version of a world title.


I agree, also. Hagler was beating the **** out of the likes of Tommy Hearns at middleweight and is, in my humble opinion, clearly a superior middleweight than Hopkins.

But this isn't about superiority in a legacy sense or an all-time rating sense, it's who beats who. It's close.
I should not disrespect Joppy, a good honest fighter by saying he kinda sucked. I stand corrected. Let me restate. He was a few levels below Tito, even at 160, and even moreso Hagler and Hopkins (as were Reid, ancient Duran, and Eastman). Not really a measuring stick in this current discussion IMO.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:42 PM   #231
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I'll tell you, the discussion that interests me (maybe an idea for another thread), is:

Was Hopkins a better Light Heavtweight than he was a Middleweight?
(I think there are parallels with Pac. Was Pac a better 140+ fighter than he was a featherweight?)
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:13 PM   #232
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Added a poll.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:24 PM   #233
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:11 AM   #234
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Hagler everytime, for me.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:29 AM   #235
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**** load of posts and only 6 votes. I guess most people don't have a really strong opinion on this one. Count me among them. I voted Hagler, though.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:49 AM   #236
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Hopkins cant beat someone like Hagler. Hopkins wins the contest of longevity hands down but head to head, he's helpless like the rest of them and would eventually lay down like a human sacrifice to the Gods

Hagler in his prime was untouchable. Hopkins' right hand was nothing to begin with but would never reach MMH since being a southpaw, moves to his right. Most ESBers dont even know this!

Marvin can score with his right, but Hopkins can't score with his. That's just the way it is!

anyways, Hagler scores tko whenever he wants to
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:12 AM   #237
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Hopkins decision, hopkins frustate hagler.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:22 AM   #238
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I'll tell you, the discussion that interests me (maybe an idea for another thread), is:

Was Hopkins a better Light Heavtweight than he was a Middleweight?
(I think there are parallels with Pac. Was Pac a better 140+ fighter than he was a featherweight?)
Nah,to make interesting you have to restate the question: "Would Hopkins have been a better LHW if he'd moved up during his prime?"

In real life he was undoubtly better at MW, but that's hardly surprising since he did all his work at LHW in his 40's. Seen from that perspective his career there has been sensational.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:32 AM   #239
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Again I can't for the life of me understand the knocks Hopkins gets for his MW reign. Between facing the 180 lbs phenom that was RJJ and Taylor as a 40-year old he didn't lose once and only had real trouble with Mercado (fought at punishing altitude) and Allen. In both cases he set the record emphatically straight afterwards.

Forget about this ****ing "weak era" BS. You don't do that if you're not one hell of a fighter. And even most great fighters run into someone who has their number, at least on a particular night (Louis-Schmeling/Conn, Ali-Norton/Jones, Tyson-Douglas etc).

To so thorougly dominate a division for more than a decade is a special achievement at any time in history. No need to complicate it beyond that.
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:40 PM   #240
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you're right Bokaj, it wasn't a weak era; it was the WEAKEST era of middleweights. even worse than the late 80s. For what it's worth, Hop would give Nunn a good fight
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