Please explain how Chavez Jr is a LHW on fight night?

[Box702]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

He weighed 181 against Rubio apparently, who was 171. Rumour has it he was even heavier against Lee, but he refused to be weighed for that one if memory serves. Regularly refuses to be weighed, for a reason. That's why people say it.

He's been caught using diuretics before to cut weight.

correct.He easily bloats up to 180lb-185+.

[VBOX]

Originally Posted by rusak

Many people here don't know shit about how these weigh-ins work. Guys regularly rehydrate an additional 10, 15, 20 pounds or more above the "weigh-in" weight. Roy Jones for example was a huge middleweight. He looked like he was well in the 170s in the ring and he said that he was 180 in the ring against Hopkins at MW. Chavez is big at 160 but not as big as some people here claim.

I remember Roy was asked on a HBO telecast how much weight he would lose before a fight and he didn't want to answer the question.

Chavez is a big MW but his size advantage is exagerated a bit, he doesn't look like a giant compared to his opponents.

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He is hunching a little in the pic with Sergio, Chavez is definitely the taller fighter but hight isn't the be all end all. You can clearly see the body mass is virtualy identical against his recent opponents.

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Now this is a size advantage.

[Hermit]

Originally Posted by box4life11

He just doesn't eat or drink shit.

JMM Marquez on the other hand.......

[doylexxx]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

Heavyweights are heavyweights. The weight differences have a more profound effect the lower you go.

says who there is no proof this

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the amount of weight classes has doubled over the past 30 years

hell a heavy was 190lb and up according to the ibf not too long ago, wba + wbc disagreeing saying 200lb

Donaire fought a guy who jumped 3 divisions overnight

some of these small classes are only 4lbs difference

tomaz adameks opponents used to have to make 175lbs

these days we throw him in with Klitschko

my point ?

Weight is overrated

[dwighttsharpe]

Originally Posted by VBOX

I remember Roy was asked on a HBO telecast how much weight he would lose before a fight and he didn't want to answer the question.

Chavez is a big MW but his size advantage is exagerated a bit, he doesn't look like a giant compared to his opponents.

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He is hunching a little in the pic with Sergio, Chavez is definitely the taller fighter but hight isn't the be all end all. You can clearly see the body mass is virtualy identical against his recent opponents.

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Now this is a size advantage.

Your pictures actually prove the point of how deceptive the "prior day weigh in" weights and differences in appearances are.

Your pictures show the extremely dehydrated JCC Jr who weighed in at the MW limit, maybe even a pound or so less than his opponent. Come fight time though, Chavez is clearly larger and heavier. Possibly more than 10 pounds heavier than his opponent and 20+ pounds more than he was at the "weigh in".

Broner was (only)5 pounds heavier than Escobedo when last weighed on fight day.

[nick6]

Anyone who says its fair to fight someone 20lbs heavier than them has obviously never been in the ring with someone 20lbs heavier than them. 20lbs makes a massive difference in punching power and strength. I don't see how anyone can say chavez isnt a massive middle weight when he comes into the ring at 180lbs +

[FilipMNE]

Originally Posted by Boxalot

I personally think it's a disadvantage to put on so much weight after the weigh-in, especially if you do it long-term like Chavez has.

Look at guys currently in the P4P top 10 - Floyd, Pac, Marquez, Donaire, Ward, Sergio, Froch etc, none of these guys rehydrate anymore than 7lbs after the weigh-in (Ward does 7lbs, Sergio about the same and the rest of them put on less than that). I strongly believe in fighting at or around your natural weight rather than killing yourself to make it. All the guys mentioned can have a full training camp concerning themselves with their conditioning (mentally and physically), fitness, boxing specifics and their opponents, whereas guys like Chavez spend 90% of camp trying to make weight.

I can understand it with Chavez because size is his only advantage. He doesn't have the skills of the other guys and relies primarily on overwhelming opponents with his size, persistence and physical strength.

Generally though, huge weight-cutting is a big no-no imo and i'd be in favour of bringing back same day weigh-ins. When a guy is putting on well over 10% of his bodyweight over night something needs to be done imo, it's not safe for him or his opponent.

Thats the thing he has no place in 168lbs, he would get destroyed there, thats why he will try to stay at 160 as long as he can because once he leaves its pretty much the end of the road!

[King87]

On any given day, I can weigh at least 5 pounds heavier at night than I did in the morning. That's not even me dehydrating myself.

In Chavez Jr's case, I can see how he'd put on 20 pounds over 24 hours.

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[alakran]

Originally Posted by Boxalot

I personally think it's a disadvantage to put on so much weight after the weigh-in, especially if you do it long-term like Chavez has.

Look at guys currently in the P4P top 10 - Floyd, Pac, Marquez, Donaire, Ward, Sergio, Froch etc, none of these guys rehydrate anymore than 7lbs after the weigh-in (Ward does 7lbs, Sergio about the same and the rest of them put on less than that). I strongly believe in fighting at or around your natural weight rather than killing yourself to make it. All the guys mentioned can have a full training camp concerning themselves with their conditioning (mentally and physically), fitness, boxing specifics and their opponents, whereas guys like Chavez spend 90% of camp trying to make weight.

I can understand it with Chavez because size is his only advantage. He doesn't have the skills of the other guys and relies primarily on overwhelming opponents with his size, persistence and physical strength.

Generally though, huge weight-cutting is a big no-no imo and i'd be in favour of bringing back same day weigh-ins. When a guy is putting on well over 10% of his bodyweight over night something needs to be done imo, it's not safe for him or his opponent.

just like cutting weight can help you it can also damage you and if its true that Chavez has to lose 20 pounds for the weigh in i think it probably hurts him more

[alakran]

Originally Posted by nick6

Anyone who says its fair to fight someone 20lbs heavier than them has obviously never been in the ring with someone 20lbs heavier than them. 20lbs makes a massive difference in punching power and strength. I don't see how anyone can say chavez isnt a massive middle weight when he comes into the ring at 180lbs +

he does have power and strenth advantage but he also gives up speed

[Royal-T-Bag]

if he can make 160 he's a MW, **** the haters. It's to his disadvantage if he's weight drained so why the bitching? If it's really that big of a deal he would be weight drained right?