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Old 10-31-2008, 09:03 AM   #16
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Default Re: Is Pacquaio just too small for De La Hoya?

I personally do not think so.

A good big man might beat a good little man, but how good is De La Hoya now?

There have been plenty of examples throughout history of fighters overcoming size issues, and the reverse is also true. So while its a factor, its not everything.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:05 AM   #17
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I personally do not think so.

A good big man might beat a good little man, but how good is De La Hoya now?

There have been plenty of examples throughout history of fighters overcoming size issues, and the reverse is also true. So while its a factor, its not everything.
Good post.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:05 AM   #18
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I personally do not think so.

A good big man might beat a good little man, but how good is De La Hoya now?

There have been plenty of examples throughout history of fighters overcoming size issues, and the reverse is also true. So while its a factor, its not everything.
In that case I'm sure you would favor Calzahge over Haye?
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:08 AM   #19
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De La Hoya has definitley declined but enough to get beaten by such a small opponent?
Even with Pacquaios great skill I think he's biting off more than he can chew.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:10 AM   #20
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In that case I'm sure you would favor Calzahge over Haye?
I agree with this point.

Also, De La Hoya beat Forbes arguably more comfortably than Andre Berto did, so the signs are that he isn't that far gone that he could be beaten by a man so much smaller than him.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:14 AM   #21
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In that case I'm sure you would favor Calzahge over Haye?
Does Calzaghe get 6 months to bulk up?
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:16 AM   #22
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I agree with this point.

Also, De La Hoya beat Forbes arguably more comfortably than Andre Berto did, so the signs are that he isn't that far gone that he could be beaten by a man so much smaller than him.
Glad you see it Pacfan....Many are naturally overstating Pac and vastly understating ODLH here...I posted that just to see if anyone would catch the Realness
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:17 AM   #23
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Does Calzaghe get 6 months to bulk up?
You can't be ****ing serious TFFP......really you must be joking
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:22 AM   #24
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I didn't really understand the comparison. David Haye has at least 50lbs on Calzaghe.

Another thing people are forgetting about the weight is De La Hoya has not made 147 in about 5 years and struggles by all accounts. So it isn't all plain sailing for him with weight. He could be pretty badly drained, whereas Pacquiao is probably not fighting too far above his usual fight night weight.

Think about that. If De La Hoya is moping around like a zombie, don't discount Pacquiao getting in and out quickly.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:28 AM   #25
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I didn't really understand the comparison. David Haye has at least 50lbs on Calzaghe.

Another thing people are forgetting about the weight is De La Hoya has not made 147 in about 5 years and struggles by all accounts. So it isn't all plain sailing for him with weight. He could be pretty badly drained, whereas Pacquiao is probably not fighting too far above his usual fight night weight.

Think about that. If De La Hoya is moping around like a zombie, don't discount Pacquiao getting in and out quickly.
Would you have backed Joe to move up to cruiser and beat Haye immediately after the Haye-Enzo Mac fight? Haye was struggling to stay at cruiser then.

How do you see the Oscar-Pac fight going?
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:36 AM   #26
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Would you have backed Joe to move up to cruiser and beat Haye immediately after the Haye-Enzo Mac fight? Haye was struggling to stay at cruiser then.

How do you see the Oscar-Pac fight going?
Of course I wouldn't. But then I don't see too many similarities, because Haye is a prime fighter on the verge of a top 10 and De La Hoya looks unimpressive to me. Even against another small man, one that does not even have the attributes to do anything other than last 12.

I think Pacquiao can beat him. I am waiting to see Oscar at the weigh in, it is absolutely crucial. De La Hoya already has a speed disadvantage, if he's drained the legs will be weak too. His stamina will also be terrible and although he's bigger and stronger he'll be too ponderous.

I can see a scenario whereby Pacquiao returns to his former buzzsaw style and wins a decision down the stretch.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:41 AM   #27
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Both TFFP and Pacfan have interesting points here
Thanks for the insight fellas
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:43 AM   #28
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I will likely be taking Pacquiao by decision, even with all the risks that I'm well aware of with size.

It's one you either look a clown or a genius.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:44 AM   #29
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Of course I wouldn't. But then I don't see too many similarities, because Haye is a prime fighter on the verge of a top 10 and De La Hoya looks unimpressive to me. Even against another small man, one that does not even have the attributes to do anything other than last 12.

I think Pacquiao can beat him. I am waiting to see Oscar at the weigh in, it is absolutely crucial. De La Hoya already has a speed disadvantage, if he's drained the legs will be weak too. His stamina will also be terrible and although he's bigger and stronger he'll be too ponderous.

I can see a scenario whereby Pacquiao returns to his former buzzsaw style and wins a decision down the stretch.
De La Hoya is still ranked high in the top 10 at light-middleweight by every major boxing publication I have seen this year, I think he is currently #1 with Britain's Boxing Monthly and #3 with The Ring.

I would be the happiest man on the planet if Pacquiao did exactly as you suggest. Sadly, I just can't see it. This isn't the size difference between two guys fighting in divisions right next to each other for the bulk of their careers, this is two completely different sizes of fighter.

If Oscar cannot stop Pac, he should hang his head in shame.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:45 AM   #30
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Both TFFP and Pacfan have interesting points here
Thanks for the insight fellas
You too mate

I very much hope TFFP is right!!
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