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Old 08-07-2007, 11:53 PM   #16
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Also im in agreement with SweetScience Couture COULD beat Fedor. The Cage is pretty forigen to Fedor and Couture knows exactly how to use it. If Couture gets the postion in the clinch agianst the fence he will get the takedown somehow throws,sweeps whatever. Fedor has proven to bleed alittle and Coutures short elbows are made to open up cuts. A Couture stoppage could happen for sure.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:53 PM   #17
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So ****ing what he has 8 losses its actually 7 I have a hard time calling the 2nd Vitor Belfort fight a loss. Usually when about 20 of ur 23 fights are agianst the top guys in the sport your bound to have some losses occasionally lets not turn MMA in Boxing where a guy losses some fights and his Legacy is turned to shit.
Yeah, I agree with this, Couture has some black spot losses but also some very quality wins, he deserves a top 5 ranking. However, he is also overrated by some and this is because Couture is the definition of a class act and a sportsman, as well as a good guy, it's hard to not like him personally and when he succeeds, his fans are extremely pleased.

Even if he defeats Gonzaga and then Fedor, I would still rank Fedor over him in terms of all around legacy, that's all I am saying.

Some of Couture's fans are over the top, the over the top overrating personally makes me crazy and I start to underrate a guy whom is otherwise an honourable warrior.... but nothing tops Amir Khan's hype train for making me crazy.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:56 PM   #18
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Also im in agreement with SweetScience Couture COULD beat Fedor. The Cage is pretty forigen to Fedor and Couture knows exactly how to use it. If Couture gets the postion in the clinch agianst the fence he will get the takedown somehow throws,sweeps whatever. Fedor has proven to bleed alittle and Coutures short elbows are made to open up cuts. A Couture stoppage could happen for sure.
Yes, I give him a shot, a good one and I'd run a bet for good measure because of the cage transition. But I also take this in knowing that Fedor would have owned him horribly in the ring set up, this relates to my post above in terms of rankings also.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:00 AM   #19
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Yeah, I agree with this, Couture has some black spot losses but also some very quality wins, he deserves a top 5 ranking. However, he is also overrated by some and this is because Couture is the definition of a class act and a sportsman, as well as a good guy, it's hard to not like him personally and when he succeeds, his fans are extremely pleased.

Even if he defeats Gonzaga and then Fedor, I would still rank Fedor over him in terms of all around legacy, that's all I am saying.

Some of Couture's fans are over the top, the over the top overrating personally makes me crazy and I start to underrate a guy whom is otherwise an honourable warrior.... but nothing tops Amir Khan's hype train for making me crazy.
Im a huge Couture fan my freind but I myself dont think im one of the overtop fans that you have mentioned and I know exactly who your talking about. I think every big name fighter has those kinds of fans especially Cro Cop.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:07 AM   #20
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Im a huge Couture fan my freind but I myself dont think im one of the overtop fans that you have mentioned and I know exactly who your talking about. I think every big name fighter has those kinds of fans especially Cro Cop.
Oh, you know it mate. Cro Cop definitley was not at his best vs. Gonzaga, but they seek to give Gonzaga no credit for what he did, which was a slow paced fight up until the fantastic KO, but one that he controlled and dominated, save for Cro Cop landing a good kick to the side.

Cro Cop is a marketable guy also.

I happened to meet Gonzaga 2 months ago the local BJJ school where he was in for grappling seminar, he's a good guy, I'm pulling for him in this next fight.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:52 AM   #21
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So ****ing what he has 8 losses its actually 7 I have a hard time calling the 2nd Vitor Belfort fight a loss. Usually when about 20 of ur 23 fights are agianst the top guys in the sport your bound to have some losses occasionally lets not turn MMA in Boxing where a guy losses some fights and his Legacy is turned to shit.
thats debatable, still an L though. Just like Fedor still technically has an L. Point being though how can you be the GOAT if you have 2 losses to a guy who is not even close to being the GOAT. See what im saying? Top 5 guy maybe, GOAT no.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:54 AM   #22
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yeah it will be 8 soon, sorry about that. I was getting ahead of myself. Point being how can you be the GOAT if you have 2 losses to a guy who is not even close to being the GOAT. See what im saying? Top 5 guy maybe, GOAT no.
If you have a nearly equal level of wins as the current GOAT, then beat him, how does that make the current GOAT greater than you?
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:02 AM   #23
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If you have a nearly equal level of wins as the current GOAT, then beat him, how does that make the current GOAT greater than you?
see its tricky, i agree.

MMAth isnt the answer sometimes.

Lets say Randy gets by GG and then does beat Fedor and then he retires. Would you rate him over Fedor? Lets say FEdor retired after the fight too.

I wouldnt, Randy hasnt beaten Mirko or Big Nog and still has a lot more Ls than Fedor would have.

It is all objective, there is no WRONG choice really. Just my logic on it.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:33 AM   #24
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see its tricky, i agree.

MMAth isnt the answer sometimes.

Lets say Randy gets by GG and then does beat Fedor and then he retires. Would you rate him over Fedor? Lets say FEdor retired after the fight too.

I wouldnt, Randy hasnt beaten Mirko or Big Nog and still has a lot more Ls than Fedor would have.

It is all objective, there is no WRONG choice really. Just my logic on it.

Not Nog and CroCop, but Gonzaga, Rizzo, Liddell, Vitor, Ortiz, and Randleman. And Fedor.
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:22 AM   #25
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Not Nog and CroCop, but Gonzaga, Rizzo, Liddell, Vitor, Ortiz, and Randleman. And Fedor.
Yea, but his wins counteract with flaired loses. For me, in the scenerio mentioned above, Fedor would still be GOAT(beh) in major part that he has beat any style out there. He did it with 1 lame(at best) loss. This being MMA such record today is obviously very tough. especially when your level of competetion is mostly from high to top.

Though beating Fedor at such age would be a lifetime achievement. Age is pretty much the only argument i see to be made for Couture for GOAT. Than again Foreman has had insane accomplishment at mid40's, i dont hear anyone ever call him GOAT.
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:33 AM   #26
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thats debatable, still an L though. Just like Fedor still technically has an L. Point being though how can you be the GOAT if you have 2 losses to a guy who is not even close to being the GOAT. See what im saying? Top 5 guy maybe, GOAT no.
Yeah god forgive Randy for losing to such a bum whos never beaten anybody like Chuck Please you ****ing moron we all know Fedor is the GOAT but for 2nd ATG Chuck Liddell has a solid case for it although personally I dont rank him that high.
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:41 AM   #27
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I would rate Randy the GOAT. Why?

* He just beat the PRIDE champion, becoming the first unified champion. By definition, he rose through a deeper talent pool (best in PRIDE and the UFC) than any champion in history...including Fedor.

* Won a UFC tournament, the heavyweight championship multiple times, and the lightheavyweight championship. Did most of it when he was in his late 40's.

* Beat the previous GOAT head-to-head when Fedor was in his prime and Randy was old as the hills.

* Sometimes defeated larger opponents.



Even allowing for his losses, Couture has a greater win record and greater longevity than anybody in the game....Fedor's nearly undefeated record is impressive, but then so is Marciano's--and we don't rate Marciano as #1. A Couture victory would be as if Moore had defeated Ali.
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:54 AM   #28
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A Couture victory would be as if Moore had defeated Ali.
Infact it would be better, as Ali was relatively unknown back then, not in his prime and not considered the greatest fighter of all time.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:46 PM   #29
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I would rate Randy the GOAT. Why?

* He just beat the PRIDE champion, becoming the first unified champion. By definition, he rose through a deeper talent pool (best in PRIDE and the UFC) than any champion in history...including Fedor.

* Won a UFC tournament, the heavyweight championship multiple times, and the lightheavyweight championship. Did most of it when he was in his late 40's.

* Beat the previous GOAT head-to-head when Fedor was in his prime and Randy was old as the hills.

* Sometimes defeated larger opponents.



Even allowing for his losses, Couture has a greater win record and greater longevity than anybody in the game....Fedor's nearly undefeated record is impressive, but then so is Marciano's--and we don't rate Marciano as #1. A Couture victory would be as if Moore had defeated Ali.
Also add in the number of guys he has beaten that will end up in the Hall of Fame or were former World Champions in Randleman,Ortiz,Maurce Smith,Tim Sylvia,Liddell,Horn,Rizzo,Fedor thats a good list.
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I was just reading somewhere that Couture can beat Fedor.. How???
Odds are he can't. But this is a "what if" scenario.
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