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Old 08-05-2007, 04:26 PM   #1
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Default Is Roberto Duran overrated?

In his lightweight prime he was amazing to watch, and also in some of his few fights at welterweight. But does his resume justify him being Top5 P4P of all time?

Did he really clean the Lightweight division? He didn't beat contenders of his era like Jimmy Heair, Angel Mayoral, Vicente Saldivar, etc.

Does he deserve to rank high at Welterweight just because of defeating and then losing against Ray Leonard, beating ex Champ Carlos Palomino and a few unranked guys?


His resume against contenders is basically this:

Hiro Kobayashi
Ken Buchanan
Guts Ishimatsu
Saoul Mamby
Esteban De Jesús
Vilomar Fernandez
Ray Lampkin
Edwin Viruet
Edwin Viruet
Esteban De Jesus
Carlos Palomino
Ray Leonard
Luigi Minchillo
Pipino Cuevas (past his best)
Davey Moore (had less than 17 pro fights)
Iran Barkley (incredible win, but Iran wasn't really a "consistent" fighter)

But he also had 6 losses before turning 35 years old (and then had much more Ls):

Esteban De Jesus
Ray Leonard
Wilfred Benitez
Kirkland Laing
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:41 PM   #2
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Default Re: Is Roberto Duran overrated?

Who cares what the minute details of his resume are

It's not as if he's a Ricaro Lopez with an almost complete and utter lack of good fighters defeated.

He's at a level where if you think he's overrated it really should be about his inherent ability as a fighter.
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:42 PM   #3
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Yes and so is Babe Ruth-Jack Niclouse-Dick Butkus-Wayne Gretzky ect.ect.
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:46 PM   #4
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I care. great post asterion..duran is overrated only if you have him top ten. I would never rank him over hagler, leonard, or hearns in terms of all-time greatness
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:52 PM   #5
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NO he is not over rated - end of story.
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:52 PM   #6
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NO he is not over rated - end of story.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:07 PM   #7
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there is more then records watch the fight, duran is not 1 and 1 with leanord he is 1 and 0 the 2nd fight he took the money and ran, many people beleive duran is the best boxer then ever saw
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:09 PM   #8
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i think ray leonard is more over rated then duran myself...
leonard had the big wins but he also didnt fight half the competition duran fought in his career ...

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Old 08-05-2007, 05:11 PM   #9
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Default Re: Is Roberto Duran overrated?

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Originally Posted by Asterion
In his lightweight prime he was amazing to watch, and also in some of his few fights at welterweight. But does his resume justify him being Top5 P4P of all time?

Did he really clean the Lightweight division? He didn't beat contenders of his era like Jimmy Heair, Angel Mayoral, Vicente Saldivar, etc.

Does he deserve to rank high at Welterweight just because of defeating and then losing against Ray Leonard, beating ex Champ Carlos Palomino and a few unranked guys?


His resume against contenders is basically this:

Hiro Kobayashi
Ken Buchanan
Guts Ishimatsu
Saoul Mamby
Esteban De Jesús
Vilomar Fernandez
Ray Lampkin
Edwin Viruet
Edwin Viruet
Esteban De Jesus
Carlos Palomino
Ray Leonard
Luigi Minchillo
Pipino Cuevas (past his best)
Davey Moore (had less than 17 pro fights)
Iran Barkley (incredible win, but Iran wasn't really a "consistent" fighter)

But he also had 6 losses before turning 35 years old (and then had much more Ls):

Esteban De Jesus
Ray Leonard
Wilfred Benitez
Kirkland Laing
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
I think you proved yourself wrong.

5 of the 6 guys you named are champions.

Lost to arguably the best 140, 147, 154 and 160 pounder in history. Nevertheless he went 2-1 against De Jesus and 1-1 with Leonard before the age of 35.

Not making excuses for his losses but one would admit that against Laing and Benitez he was hardly 100%.

His losses at 154 and 160 are his sixth division or something. He started at bantam or super banta,.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:12 PM   #10
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No.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:13 PM   #11
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there is more then records watch the fight, duran is not 1 and 1 with leanord he is 1 and 0 the 2nd fight he took the money and ran, many people beleive duran is the best boxer then ever saw
The loss does still count.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:21 PM   #12
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Default Re: Is Roberto Duran overrated?

His longevity and multitude of weights fought at alone make me believe he's great.

I think his career pre-Leonard is a lot less accessible and studied than he became after he got involved with the fab four and really came into the spotlight.

But he was 71-1 going into the first Leonard fight. He'd already been boxing for 11 years.

In over a decade of fighting he lost once, and those were the years he was at his seemingly optimal weight.

Yeah he lost to Hagler and Hearns, among others... But he'd been boxing for years and years and moved up considerably in weight once he started accumlating these losses to those champions. And he still gave them (Halger) hell.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:24 PM   #13
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NO he is not over rated - end of story.
Let me echo that one.....NO HE IS NOT OVER RATED!!!!!!! Duran had old-timers, who after seeing him on tv would compare him favorably to ANYONE of the past!! End of story!!!
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:01 PM   #14
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:02 PM   #15
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5 of the 6 guys you named are champions.

Lost to arguably the best 140, 147, 154 and 160 pounder in history. Nevertheless he went 2-1 against De Jesus and 1-1 with Leonard before the age of 35.

Not making excuses for his losses but one would admit that against Laing and Benitez he was hardly 100%.

His losses at 154 and 160 are his sixth division or something. He started at bantam or super banta,.

Solid argument.
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