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Old 08-07-2007, 07:48 PM   #16
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The Archie Moore type defence is great when applied effectively. Gene Fullmer and George Foreman used to use it for pure block value, but they didn't master the counters like Moore. At first it seems like punching from such a position (arms crossing the body) could be ineffective, but there is a vital facet that needs to be explored; angles. Moore used the correct body angles and waist movement that needed to be combined with the arm defence and that's how he was able to get off counter punches without sacrificing speed.

Yeah,that's why Archie lost to Patterson,Marciano,Charles,Bivins,Burley,Booker and Chase.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:58 PM   #17
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Yeah,that's why Archie lost to Patterson,Marciano,Charles,Bivins,Burley,Booker and Chase.
What an idiotic statement.
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:49 AM   #18
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Witherspoon used a hybrid vs Holmes at times. Picked off the jab quite well with the right glove in front of his face.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:13 AM   #19
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As in what Archie Moore created and Foreman used during his comeback.

Who else uses it?

What are it's benefits?

Weaknesses?
Itís a good cover up defense, especially when a fighter is hurt on the ropes or corners. Fighters with big arms can be good at this type of defense is they work at it. The trouble with the cross armed defense style is unlike a conventional guard, and fighter has to ď uncross ď his arms to mount an offense in most cases.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:59 AM   #20
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Yeah, only if you have the skills of Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four team.

Man,the crossed arm def can't be performed without neglecting any area of the head. Either your chin is vulnerable to uppercuts or any temple to hooks. It surely is a perfect block against hooks to the chin,but still there are some weak points. Furthermore it leaves your body totally uncovered for body shots.
I've explained to you how to block from all angles. That signalled the end of our two way.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:47 AM   #21
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What an idiotic statement.

If Archie Moore is your best example for perfect crossed arm def then you have to admit that your example lacks some logic.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:54 AM   #22
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If Archie Moore is your best example for perfect crossed arm def then you have to admit that your example lacks some logic.
Hmm, no. Your statement is what lacks knowledge:

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Yeah,that's why Archie lost to Patterson,Marciano,Charles,Bivins,Burley,Booker and Chase.
Can't I just say 'Ray Robinson used a conventional guard but lost to LaMotta, Turpin, Basilio, Fullmer, Jones and Maxim'? Yes, I think I can.
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I've explained to you how to block from all angles. That signalled the end of our two way.

There is NO def method that covers every area of your head and body without being forced to react. That's why Moore was regarded a slow mummy,period.
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There is NO def method that covers every area of your head and body without being forced to react. That's why Moore was regarded a slow mummy,period.
Who regarded Moore as a slow mummy?
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Can't I just say 'Ray Robinson used a conventional guard but lost to LaMotta, Turpin, Basilio, Fullmer, Jones and Maxim'? Yes, I think I can.


Sure you can. Read my post above.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:04 AM   #26
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Who regarded Moore as a slow mummy?

He was,trust me. If you have to compare Patterson/Moore then Moore is like Tut Ench Amun.
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Sure you can. Read my post above.
I've read it, and am still not enlightened nor impressed.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:07 AM   #28
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He was,trust me. If you have to compare Patterson/Moore then Moore is like Tut Ench Amun.
'Trust me'

That doesn't back up your statement. Again - who regarded Moore as a slow mummy?

As for Patterson-Moore... Well firstly, Moore was past his prime by that point in his career and was jumping weights like an obese anorexic. Second; Patterson was one of the fastest ever at around 190lbs - because Moore was slower, it doesn't mean he was slow.

Infact, Moore was quick during his more successful days. He wasn't lightning fast, but he was nowhere near slow either. Not at all.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:09 AM   #29
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I've read it, and am still not enlightened nor impressed.

Good. Now do you have any other example for a perfect crossed arm def displaying it as a wonder-def?
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:13 AM   #30
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Again - who regarded Moore as a slow mummy?

Anyone who has ANY knowledge of boxing or human sense which you obviously lack both.
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