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Old 08-08-2007, 08:18 AM   #31
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No, I've got the fight, it was not computer generated graphics. They were both in there fighting. Ali was suspended sure, but was in his prime. 46 year old Marciano knocked him out, what would he have done to him if Rock was in his prime?

and yes, buddy baer, two-tonne tony galento, braddock and max schmeling were bums. rocky was the only white boy who knocked louis down who wasn't a bum.
There is no way in hell even a prime Marciano knocks out Ali..
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:42 AM   #32
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Is this the "fight" you are talking about? It is "computerized", or rather clips put together in a smart fashion. Ali and Marciano never fought each other.

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Old 08-08-2007, 08:44 AM   #33
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you're not making any sense saying this, as a 46 year Marciano knocked out a Prime Ali
Guy, Marciano was dead at 46.
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Old 08-08-2007, 08:58 AM   #34
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Rumble, why do you think everybody says it didn't happen?
Why does it say "Computer bout" on the cover?

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You can see the fight is mentioned. It was a "computer fight":
In July of 1969, shortly before his death, Marciano participated in the filming of the fantasy, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. The two boxers were filmed sparring, then the film was edited to match a computer simulation of a hypothetical fight between them, each in their prime. The bout was aired on Tuesday, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Marciano won by KO in 13.

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Old 08-08-2007, 09:02 AM   #35
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Well there are fighters who would give every fighter hell because of style matchups. A prime Tyson would give Lennox hell, a prime Holmes would give Lennox hell. Ali did fight a 6'6 - 6'7 fighter by the way, in the form of Ernie Terrell. Who was regarded as an excellent fighter at the time, and Ali didn't lose a round. Of course, he fought differently to Lennox/Klits, however the size factor was conquered very convincingly.
Comparing TERREL to the mentioned names is like comparing BIRD to ALI ! VLAD conquered 62 something boxers but they were nowhere as skilled as 67 ALI ! And TERRELL wasnt close to the KLITS or LL in skill or size ! ( he was as tall but nowhere near as large ! just like BOB FOSTER was as tall as ALI but nowhere as large !
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:03 AM   #36
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Even Holyfields trainer Don Turner says Lennox Lewis would beat any champion in history on a given night!

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Old 08-08-2007, 09:04 AM   #37
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Ali, but Superman fought without his superpowers. Ali went on to defeat an alien monster in a fight and save the Earth.

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Old 08-08-2007, 09:15 AM   #38
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I have Ali as 2nd
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the same LARRY who barly beat NORTON and WILLIAMS and SPOON ? ( PS 2 of them had less then 20 fights and the other was shot ) LARRY struggled with anyone with any talent at all and you think he is greatest head to head ?
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:49 AM   #41
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you're not making any sense saying this, as a 46 year Marciano knocked out a Prime Ali
Your in denial or something, they never fought.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:58 AM   #42
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I would say Ali.

Then Liston.
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:06 PM   #43
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Louis had the style to KO Ali, I like him big over ALi, Marciano would have given Ali trouble, Dempsey and Marciano would have caused Louis trouble but he would have handled Ali

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Old 08-08-2007, 03:14 PM   #44
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It's absurd for you to write off one of the great champions of all time simply because you feel that his chin won't hold up. I happen to feel that it will.

And I didn't back up your statement. I only backed up your statement if I agree with you on the skill level of the fighters. Tyson certainly lacked the skill to reach out and stop Douglas. Is it absurd to think that Lewis couldn't have duplicated Douglas' feat? No...its not.

I don't particularly care what other choices people make. No one asked me to give them someone else's choice.

And I don't need to re-read your post. Nearly every great fighter in histories chin is crackable now isn't it? Tyson's sure was. So was Listons apparently.
Neither was ever put unconscious by a single punch however at their best, there is a difference between being stopped and being laid out.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:17 PM   #45
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Neither was ever put unconscious by a single punch however at their best, there is a difference between being stopped and being laid out.
And that's relative to their chin.

And Liston was not past it when Ali dropped him with one punch. And yes I know the controversy.

Lewis doesn't have to have a great chin to beat ATG, just like they don't have to have Lewis' size or power to beat him.
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