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Old 08-08-2007, 04:29 PM   #16
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This is the thing about the stoppage. You look at Taylor, he really doesnt look fit to continue. He just doesnt. And if you dont know the time in the round, and you let the guy go out like Taylor was, Steele wasnt kidding when he said no fight was worth a mans life. An then, I know the rules get broked all the time, but according to referee rules, when the fighter doesnt respond or make eye contact, he is supposed to stop the fight. And while the stoppage at the time was controlversial, Taylor was BROKEN after the fight, his body was literally destroyed.
excellent post, tho I think Taylor deserved this fight, the way it ended was rightfuly justfied. Chavez ruined Taylor in that fight even tho he was loosing

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Old 08-08-2007, 04:33 PM   #17
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That is the best argument i have ever heard. Pefefectly said Ramshall
thanks.

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Old 08-08-2007, 04:44 PM   #18
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It is very simple. Taylor didn't respond when asked if he was ok. What is the ref supposed to do? Just sit there with Taylor until the time runs off? There was actually 5 seconds left when Steele started waving his hands. What if he let Chavez in at him, and Taylor was hit with one more shot that killed him? Steele would have been blamed for his death.
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:48 PM   #19
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It is very simple. Taylor didn't respond when asked if he was ok. What is the ref supposed to do? Just sit there with Taylor until the time runs off? There was actually 5 seconds left when Steele started waving his hands. What if he let Chavez in at him, and Taylor was hit with one more shot that killed him? Steele would have been blamed for his death.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:36 PM   #20
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Ramshall thats the best way you could have put it, i could not agree more
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:46 PM   #21
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It is very simple. Taylor didn't respond when asked if he was ok. What is the ref supposed to do? Just sit there with Taylor until the time runs off? There was actually 5 seconds left when Steele started waving his hands. What if he let Chavez in at him, and Taylor was hit with one more shot that killed him? Steele would have been blamed for his death.
Considering I honestly think Taylor was only one more big shot away from ending up like Mclellan or worst, I agree with you 100%. It hurts to see Taylor like that now, but what would 2 or 3 more big shots (which is possible in 5 seconds) have done to him?

I give credit to Chavez for perseverence, and I put the blame on Duva for giving his fighter bad advice in the 12th, advice that completely ignored the fact that Taylor was getting punished, and jumping on the apron at the worst possible time.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:15 PM   #22
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one more shot could have killed him!
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:18 PM   #23
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It was Duva's fault. He shouldn't have climbed to the side of the ring and shouldn't have yelled anything. It distracted an already confused Taylor, who didn't answer Steele's question.

Steele only did his job.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:20 PM   #24
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How was it the right decision? The fight wouldn't have lasted 2 more seconds, Chavez wouldn't have even had time to throw one more punch. Taylor deserved that win, he earned it. Duva is such a fat ****ing bum. He told Taylor he needed that last round to win and made him fight instead of mve like he was supposed to. And then he ****ed him up by getting on the apron and distracting him. ****ing Duva!

And Chuck Giampa should've been fired and jailed for having Chavez ahead.
props to Meldrick for fighting like a man and not running like a little rabbit. He lost to the better man that night, no shame in that.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:21 PM   #25
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How can people say Taylor deserved that win? He was clearly f*cked the hell up at the end of 12 rounds and needless to say after the fight.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:25 PM   #26
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I'm not arguing with you because you'll turn this into an argument about the fight where Whitaker badly schooled Chavez.

But no, in my opinion he didn't lose to the better man, his corner lost the fight for him.
youre not making much sense.

"His corner lost the fight for him?" . . .thats one of the lamest excuses ever.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:26 PM   #27
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I'm not arguing with you because you'll turn this into an argument about the fight where Whitaker badly schooled Chavez.

But no, in my opinion he didn't lose to the better man, his corner lost the fight for him.

Nope, Taylor lost the fight all by his lonesome self. Just look at him at the end of 12 rounds.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:27 PM   #28
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Sweat pea, you need to respond to this point. . .

The ref is not supposed to say, "I think you cannot fight on but theres only a few seconds and I think you deserve the win". Steele made the right call.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:27 PM   #29
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Yeah but ultimately Every fighter knows that once that bell rings, its only them in there....no one else....There could have been 2 pornstars front row going at it trying to distract him for gods sake, but Meldrick still needed to tell Steele he was ok....he failed to do that....and now we know how beat up he really was....in the documentary the doctor said he was severely beat up...he was hospitalized with many injuries, he didnt look like he was fit to continue....only steele saw his eyes...the only Fact we know is that he was asked twice and didnt respond either time...good stoppage....i agree Duva messed up, but ultimately what was meldricks fault for not responding!....you watch any fight when a fighter goes down, the very firwt thing they do is look for the ref and say "im alright"....its almost reflex....the thing is that meldrick was drunk like from too many headshots and fractured face to do that....good stoppage
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:30 PM   #30
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They told him he needed that round when he could've gave it away 10-9 instead of being TKO'd.
he is the one in the ring and he fought the entire fight the same way, props to him for the courage but HE lost. . . its like when DLH tried to blame his corner for running from Tito for the last three rounds . . .No, it was his fault.
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