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Old 08-08-2007, 07:31 PM   #31
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Default Re: Chavez-Taylor I...Round 12

Sweet pea, the reason your giving that he should have won is irrelevant....He didnt respond to the ref after being asked if he was ok.....doesnt matter if he raped julio for 11.5 rounds....the end of the fight is what matters in this case.....
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:31 PM   #32
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In my 30 years of watching the sport, this is one of the worst stoppages I have ever seen. I was outraged 17 years ago, and I'm still outraged. Steele was close to King, and he did him a favor again shortly after this in stopping the Tyson-Ruddock fight quickly.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:35 PM   #33
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zakaman, what was he suppose to do ask Meldrick 5 times if he was ok?? ultimately it falls on Meldrick....what if Chavez would have ran over there and Gave him one more right hand....the ref is not suppose t say "man theres only 5 seconds left"....hes judging the fighter being fit to continue or not...and he chose not....and im sure the doctor at the hospital would agree....Meldrick was BEAT DOWN!
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:40 PM   #34
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He can't fight on? How so? He got KD'd once in the fight and got up after 3, he was clearly tired, but not out of it. He looked to his corner because Duva's fat stupid ass jumped up there, which is why he didn't respond to Steele.
Nonsense, that is an old excuse. Any boxer knows that you have to answer the ref when he asks you if you are ok. Looking over at your corner for advice isn't an excuse as to why you weren't able to answer the ref. All Taylor had to say was "I'm ok", or nod his head yes and move forward. The point is that Taylor was out of it, and Steele called the fight off just as he should have.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:42 PM   #35
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Duva made mistakes i agree,m but ultimately its meldricks decision on what to do....he chose to stand his ground....watch the fight....even when Meldrick gets tagged and wobbled, he attachs chavez with more punches chosing to stand his ground instead of boxing more, or instead of clinching for rest....that mindset was his downfall...he shoce to try to bang and stand in front of a prime Chavez, and whoever paid his extensive hospital bills regrets it as much as Taylor!! big Mistake!
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:47 PM   #36
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It's an excuse, but just because it's an excuse doesn't mean it's not legitimate. He got up after 3 damn seconds and Duva's fat ass jumped up on the apron and distracted him. As soon as Steele called it off Taylor was like "WTF?", he was clearly not out of it.
He was on his feet by 5 almost 6, and that doesn't even matter. He could have got up at 1, and if he isn't responsive to the ref, then the fight is over. Taylor was out of it, and of course he was like "WTF?" just like all fighters are. Because they are confused and disoriented. Zab Judah was like "wtf" against Tszyu as well, while he was in the middle of doing the chicken dance.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:48 PM   #37
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Let alone that everyone knows that a lot of times when a fighter doesn't answer the ref, and looks over to his corner, he is looking for mercy and a way out.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:50 PM   #38
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He can't fight on? How so? He got KD'd once in the fight and got up after 3, he was clearly tired, but not out of it. He looked to his corner because Duva's fat stupid ass jumped up there, which is why he didn't respond to Steele.
the ref decided that he could not fight on . . .agreed, Duva was an idiot for jumping on the apron. . . maybe if he hadnt Meldrick would have responded. . . but the ref cant say. . .OK your not responding after taking a beating because that fatass is on the apron so Ill let you continue . .. its Meldricks job to stay focused on the ref in that situation.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:53 PM   #39
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He was up, if you ****ing get up the fight continues, unless he is clearly wobbly or his eyes are not clear. Saying "Are you OK" was just an excuse for Steele to stop the damn fight. He got up, he dominated the fight for 11 rounds, and even when faced with possibly losing, he showed the heart once again to get up, and Steele stopped it and robbed him. I will never agree with the stoppage, ever.
Are you being serious? If you get up the fight continues? If you don't answer to the ref asking you if you are ok, the fight does not continue. I am having a hard time following you, as you are pretending like Steele only asked if he was ok as a way to stop the fight. Every ref asks the fighters if they are ok to continue, after every knockdown. If a fighter doesn't respond you are not allowed to continue the fight. Hell, just as many fights are stopped without anyone hitting the canvas at all, let alone letting every fighter go on simply because he was on his feet before ten.

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Old 08-08-2007, 07:54 PM   #40
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I used to think this was a horibble stopage after all there were 2 seconds left and Richard Stele was looking at the 10 seconds or less light. There was no way Chavez or even Carl Lewis would have been able to get to Taylor in time to land another punch. However the 10 seconds or less light is not a clock. If it was a clock showing 2 seconds it would have been harder to justify stoping the fight, but 10 seconds even 5 seconds could have been enough time for Chavez to land one more punch on Taylor who was clearly badly hurt.
In a perfict world Richard Stele would have known there was not enough time for Chavez to land another punch and let the fight go to the judges, but we don't live in a perfict world. A boxing refree has one job that is to protect the safty and wellbeing of the boxers,and Richard Stele did just that so you can't fault him for doing his job.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:57 PM   #41
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Terrible stoppage.

But to be fair, Taylor -did- look dead on his feet, and another two or three punches could have landed before five seconds were up...and we have no idea what those punches would have done to him. We don't even know if the judges would have screwed him over on the cards even if it -had- gone to points, because of the way Chavez closed the show so well. Chavez was a wrecking machine.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:57 PM   #42
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He was up, if you ****ing get up the fight continues, unless he is clearly wobbly or his eyes are not clear. Saying "Are you OK" was just an excuse for Steele to stop the damn fight. He got up, he dominated the fight for 11 rounds, and even when faced with possibly losing, he showed the heart once again to get up, and Steele stopped it and robbed him. I will never agree with the stoppage, ever.

his eyes were as clear as Roger Mayweathers after a 24 hour crack binge.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:58 PM   #43
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You guys act like Steele had a stop watch on the edge of his nose. For all he knew there was 30 seconds left. That place was so loud nobody could hear anything.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:15 PM   #44
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Obviously this will always be controversial. When you first look at it you think "what bullshit" but when you really analyze it, it was the right stoppage.

What really gets overlooked in this whole scenario is what a frekin straight right at 0.25 sec of the round and what a right to knock him down. This is like hitting a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth of game 7 of the world series down 3-0. Amazing!
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:23 PM   #45
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If you pause and play (pause, play, pause, play) during Steele's count you can clearly see that Taylor was out of it. Also, look at Chavez as Steele is asking if Taylor is ok....he doesnt even wait for Steele to call it before he lifts his hands in victory. The 2 people in the ring, closest to Taylor see that he is completely out of it and can not continue.
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