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Old 10-20-2012, 10:07 PM   #76
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That's what I'm saying.......one in 1985, one in 1986, then Leonard in '87. That's not enough. Yes, he was active enough in '81-'83, but that doesn't speak to latter years, when he was pushing and past 30. Big difference.
I do see your point. I just don't know if he was really inactive after 1983. Most top guys fight two times a year.
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Didn't I read that he had started using cocaine? I might be mistaken...
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:07 PM   #78
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I am not sure if that was the punch which hurt Tommy's hand. After that he still threw hard punches. I think it was after that exchange before Marvin landed a big right on Hearns. I think the punch which broke his hand was thrown right after Bernstein says "it was hagler initiating it not Thomas Hearns" then punch lands right at the end of that statement.
Actually the cut was caused by Hearns mouthpiece. One day I wanted to find out for sure when the cut happened, so analyzed the tape. it happened with 1:20 1:19 seconds left in the round. Hearns is throwing a right body punch and moving left and Hagler is throwing also a right to Hearns body at the same time and moving left also and Hearns mouthpiece slides across Marvin's forehead. The force of both throwing body punches on the inside at the same time and the force caused the cut from the mouthpiece friction. No one else has ever figured this out or maybe never wanted to. I am 100 percent correct in this. Hearns was tired and when he was tired he sometimes would have his mouthpiece out to help him breath and it happened very accidental.
cut caused by a mouthpiece? I doubt it. And other people never mentioned this. It was caused by a clash of heads but I never heard of a mouthpiece causing a cut. Maybe possible but doubtful!!! I will check it out sometime.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:32 AM   #79
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cut caused by a mouthpiece? I doubt it. And other people never mentioned this. It was caused by a clash of heads but I never heard of a mouthpiece causing a cut. Maybe possible but doubtful!!! I will check it out sometime.
no I look at it enough and figured it out. It is the only time Marvin could have been cut. It was a wild first round and both were throwing and Hearns being taller means his mouthpiece was at the level of Hagler's forehead. They punched at the same time and Marvin sort of moved forward and bumped into Hearns and it cut. It is with 1:20-1:19 left in round one. Right after that Al Michaels says Hagler is cut. Hagler is cut.
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when Marvin was 28? I don't think so. Roldan was trouble for anyone, and that knockdown was a pull down. Roldan gave Hearns,Hagler and Nunn problems. What I think is Hagler's decline was caused by his inactivity after Hearns and his motivation seemed to go down. I think he put his all mentally and physically into his fight with Hearns after Leonard never fought him. I think he wanted to prove something.
Well you'd be wrong. If you had seen the fight then you would have known that Hagler was having many problems avoiding the slowpoke Roldan's blows as his reflexes and footwork were visibly slowing. I haven't seen the fight in a long time, but I believe that it was Larry Merchant who even said that we are seeing the 1st signs of slippage in Hagler.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:11 AM   #81
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Well you'd be wrong. If you had seen the fight then you would have known that Hagler was having many problems avoiding the slowpoke Roldan's blows as his reflexes and footwork were visibly slowing. I haven't seen the fight in a long time, but I believe that it was Larry Merchant who even said that we are seeing the 1st signs of slippage in Hagler.
the irony is that Roldan made guys look terrible because he was not just aggressive , he was ridiculously aggressive. Gil Clancy said when he fought Hearns " you cannot find sparring partners who can do what Roldan does" Fact is they said Tommy was washed up when he fought Roldan. Hagler asked Hearns after the Roldan fight, did you find him awkward? Problem with Roldan was when he slowed down he was easy to hit. Roldan even hit Michael Nunn. Hagler looked fine against Hamsho in 1984, and stopped him in 3.
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the irony is that Roldan made guys look terrible because he was not just aggressive , he was ridiculously aggressive. Gil Clancy said when he fought Hearns " you cannot find sparring partners who can do what Roldan does" Fact is they said Tommy was washed up when he fought Roldan. Hagler asked Hearns after the Roldan fight, did you find him awkward? Problem with Roldan was when he slowed down he was easy to hit. Roldan even hit Michael Nunn. Hagler looked fine against Hamsho in 1984, and stopped him in 3.
But Marvin looked like he was slipping against Roldan, who was hitting him with shots he would have easily avoided just 2 years prior. Even Merchant said you can see the slippage. You could see it in both Hagler's reflexes and footspeed. And btw, you were off by almost 2 years with Hagler's age at that time. Hagler was 2 months shy of his 30th when he fought Roldan.
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