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Old 08-10-2007, 07:04 AM   #46
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:12 AM   #47
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:49 PM   #50
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Sweet Pea, et al. I think that you underestimate Pep. In terms of sheer skill, there has been no one like him, except for Pernell and even Pernell was a relative novice when you look at activity. A 135-1-1 streak is sickeningly great. Pernell was like 32-1 at his best. I take serious issue with the idea that guys with under 50 fights can be compared with guys like Pep. People casually say "oh but he fought no one" -as if. Pep stepped into the ring and put his life and health in jeopardy 240 times against professionals: Jackie Wilson, Chalky Wright, Willie Joyce, and Paddy DeMarco, and Sandy Saddler are among his wins.

You also forget the testimony of those who saw him and his opponents. Many compared fighting Pep to trying to "put moonbeams in a jar" fighting a man in a hall of mirrors, or chasing a shadow. One of them said that it was like "trying to stamp out a grass fire."

Pep was a beautiful boxer who would make his man miss by centimeters -his defense was usually inside the perimeter. Many celebrate Ali's "defensive skill" -it couldn't compare to Pep's. Pep was a textbook fighter who wrote his own because he was too advanced for it -it wasn't Ali-Jones speedy unorthodoxy -it was calculus 3.

Angott had his number -and I'd be willing to bet the house that Angott would have had Pernell's number just as much. Angott's style was the foil for small innovators because it was designed for disruption, frustration, and smothering. An Armstrong got by him because of the strength and power factor. Pep was no Hercules in there (and contrary to a few confusing opinions out here, neither was Pernell).

You seem to dismiss Pep's comeback from the plane crash. I think it is among the greatest boxing comebacks in history. He was never supposed to walk again, never mind fight... a broken back, paralyzed from the waist down for a time, and in a body cast for 5 months. The fact that he actually offered his greatest masterpiece in beating Saddler after the crash is shocking. He fought Sandy, one of the greatest to come out of Boston, MA (my home town) for the second time in his 140th fight. Fact is, Saddler probably had the Pep puzzle solved too due to his style -Pep shouldn't have beat him at all.

So, if this means who was the "greatest", pound for pound, I would take Robinson. Sometimes conventional wisdom is right. If you mean who was the greatest "boxer" who ever lived, meaning who had the highest level of skill, I'd proclaim Pep. He was superior to them all...a savant technician.

I just wanted to tell you that you inspired me to really do some more homework on some of the older fighters. Thanks!
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:42 PM   #51
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talking strickly in the classical sence as a boxer.its pep hands down.pep was litterly unbeatable before he broke both his legs and back in a plane crash.
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Best boxer?...probably a prime Willie Pep...
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Muhammad Ali The Greatest Boxer ever.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:03 PM   #54
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Ali in his prime would beat the brakes off any other fighter p4p.

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Fix.

Just because he idolized Ray Robinson doesn't mean he had his one-punch KO power.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:01 PM   #58
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Duran
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:06 PM   #59
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again it's IMPOSSIBLE to say!

the Best, i.e SRR could be the Best WW or MW or even Best of All, but he IS NOT alone and can be beaten by other equally great fighters in his respective weight class.

so given that these guys "might" be the best , though not miles better than thier great peers, we can name a few.

SRR might be that one, on the same note for British fighters it could just as likely be Len Harvey!

btw good shout for Joe Gans too.
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Armstrong
Robinson
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Ali
Duran
Monzon
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Amongst others.
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