The Brown Bomber vs Big George.

[The Kurgan]

Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

He wasn't much of a one-punch artist mainly because he hurt opponents with virtually every shot. What shots did Louis shake off that were better than ones Foreman could produce?

In other words, you agree he wasn't much of a one-punch knockout artist. Foreman's chances of landing a lucky home-run bomb against Louis are neglible, since no-one ever knocked out Louis with one shot.

Then again, let's not assume Foreman's going to be able to land any big bombs on Louis. The chances are this one won't be long, and Louis is going to be the one landing the combinations.

Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

It's funny how people cannot accept how average Louis chin was. If Patterson went down it was a case of "Oh, paper chin on the deck again", "There goes old canvas back". The fact that he won means nothing, but if it's Jou Louis...."Wow what a comeback..what a man...he'd beat anyone ever".

I suppose people just think that getting up to win is more impressive than getting starched in the first round.

Louis too robotic and limited. Foreman KO4 Louis

[The Kurgan]

Originally Posted by KTFO

Louis too robotic and limited. Foreman KO4 Louis

Be more speicifc. What is limiting Louis here- his faster hands, better counter-punching skills, superior variety of punches, better combinations, better defense, better stamina or his better punching technique?

limiting: robotic style,easy to hit,a good jab doesn't stop Big George

George would floor him 4 times before they would carry Louis out on a stretcher.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Originally Posted by The Kurgan

I suppose people just think that getting up to win is more impressive than getting starched in the first round.

Of course. But every fighter who visits the canvas is apparently 'exposed'... unless it was Louis.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Originally Posted by The Kurgan

Be more speicifc. What is limiting Louis here- his faster hands, better counter-punching skills, superior variety of punches, better combinations, better defense, better stamina or his better punching technique?

His paper chin. Specific enough?

[janitor]

Originally Posted by KTFO

limiting: robotic style,easy to hit,a good jab doesn't stop Big George

If Louis is robotic and easy to hit then you are going to have to invent some new superlatives to describe Foreman.

[janitor]

Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

His paper chin. Specific enough?

Its funny that you describe Louis as having a paper chin because he was never droped by sombody like Jimmy Young or even Muhamad Ali.

All the fighters who droped Louis were bona fide punchers.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Maurice

I think foreman had a better chin than Louis ever did.

Yeah, probably. He was also much,much,much,much easier to hit.

I do not consider guys like conn heavy punchers!

Conn never dropped Louis. What's your point?

I never truly saw louis absorb as much punishment as foreman did and was still standing.

Foreman probably kept his feet better, Louis' power of recuperation would be better though. Louis fought a couple of rounds against Schmeling (Who hit hard enough to stop an opponents heart) whilst basically unconcsious.

How can you even think that conn (lighheavyweight) and schmeling were harder punchers than ali and young. I think ali hit harder than conn, and i would say young and schmeling are about even!

What is it with the Conn fixation? He would be the lightest puncher that Louis ever fought! Yes, Schmeling's hardest shots would be harder than Ali's and Young's.

However chin and punching power category are the only departments that foreman has a edge.

Yes.

I think Stamina would play a very crucial role in this match up.

Foreman is well behind Louis in terms of stamina, but I think you mean durabilty...

You should go watch some of the shots foreman took against Holyfield, stewart, and moorer. He was still standing at the end.

...because of this.

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by Maurice

I think foreman had a better chin than Louis ever did. I do not consider guys like conn heavy punchers!

Conn never droped Louis. He only stung him.

I never truly saw louis absorb as much punishment as foreman did and was still standing.

I submit that Louis absorbed a worse beating at the hands of Schmeling before going down than Foreman took against Ali.

How can you even think that conn (lighheavyweight) and schmeling were harder punchers than ali and young. I think ali hit harder than conn, and i would say young and schmeling are about even!

Schmeling was one of the hardest punchers of the era. He hit harder than Ali and Young by a big margin not a small margin.

You should go watch some of the shots foreman took against Holyfield, stewart, and moorer. He was still standing at the end. I would bet the house louis would have been outta there. Just go watch the first walcott fight!

Walcott was a much harder puncher than Holyfiels, Stewart or Moorer.

[Street Lethal]

I picked Foreman inside of 7 rounds. He was big and powerful, his punches were accurate, and he could take a hell of a shot. Louis was a great on offense but weak on defense, and where his head would be is right where Foreman's punches would land. Louis couldn't take Foreman's shots.

If Louis can get past the tenth round, assuming he's fighting the young Foreman, he might have a chance to go the distance. But I think the beating he takes early on will make it difficult to overcome Foreman's lead.

I can't believe that Louis ahead in this fookin poll by KO on Foreman.

I know the first thing many of you will compare this to is Foreman's fight with Ali, but what other fight can you show?

Do you guys really think Louis would pull an Ali? You really do? OMG,you really do.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Maurice

When i brought up conn's name i meant that he shook louis up, and I DO NOT CONSIDER HIM A HARD PUNCHER!

Proffesional fighters always hurt each other when they hit. Otherwise it would not be possible for fighters like Loughran and Conn to be all time great fighters and undeniablely dominant champions at light-heavy.

In the case of the first schmeling fight, i do agree that Joe did recieve a substantial amount of damage before going down, BUT HE WENT DOWN!

Yeah, Joe went down. Then got back up again. The point that Louis is more vulnerable than Foreman in terms of chin is accepted.

I know the first thing many of you will compare this to is Foreman's fight with Ali, but what other fight can you show? None

Lyle dropped him.

Besides Foreman was never rocked By a light fisted puncher like conn,

He is not fighting Conn. He is fighting Louis. In composite terms he may be the best puncher the sport has ever seen.

and again do not BS and say Conn was a A hard puncher, i can name guys like Pinklon thomas, razor ruddock, and other journeymen that had more power than him.

No-one has tried to say that Conn is a hard puncher. All the guys you have mentioned were harder punchers than him. What Conn was, was a master boxer who feared no-one.

[janitor]

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Originally Posted by Maurice

When i brought up conn's name i meant that he shook louis up, and I DO NOT CONSIDER HIM A HARD PUNCHER!

So what anybody can be rocked by a medium puncher. Its the laws of physics.

In the case of the first schmeling fight, i do agree that Joe did recieve a substantial amount of damage before going down, BUT HE WENT DOWN!

He took a far worse shelacking than Foreman took against Ali before he stayed down.

Unlike Foreman Louis was only stoped by punchers and only after a sustained beating.