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View Poll Results: Joe Louis vs George Foreman. Who wins and how?
Joe Louis by K.O in rounds 1-7. 17 22.67%
Joe Louis by K.O in rounds 8-15. 24 32.00%
Joe Louis by decision. 4 5.33%
George Foreman by K.O in rounds 1-7. 27 36.00%
George Foreman by K.O in rounds 8-15. 3 4.00%
George Foreman by decision. 0 0%
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:53 PM   #31
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Do you guys really think Louis would pull an Ali? You really do? OMG,you really do.
Louis certainly wouldn't fight Foreman anything like Ali did. No way.
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Do you guys really think Louis would pull an Ali? You really do? OMG,you really do.
No we think he would pull a Louis and take Foreman apart inside the first five rounds.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:56 PM   #33
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No we think he would pull a Louis and take Foreman apart inside the first five rounds.
You can make that one for me.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:59 PM   #34
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No we think he would pull a Louis and take Foreman apart inside the first five rounds


Brilliant joke or display of complete loss of human sense.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:02 PM   #35
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Brilliant joke or display of complete loss of human sense.
So how exactly do you think Foreman can win?

Louis has never been taken out with a single shot so he is going to have to land on him consistently to take him out. He sure as hell is not going to win by decision.

What makes you think that Foreman has the technique to land on Louis's chin consistently?
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:12 PM   #36
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Well.......I think Louis can Ko Big George, but i would think it would be later the fight!

What would be interesting is to see as to how louis would fight the first five rounds, i know he wouldn't rope a dope, but then again how can he slug against a monster like foreman?
Louis's strategy in the early rounds would probably be to fight on the back foot and counterpunch. He would move backwards just enough to keep Foreman walking towards him. Every time Foreman opened up Louis would be looking to fire a combination down the pipe.

If Foreman is prepared to play this game then he would get the worst of it.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:13 PM   #37
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Well.......I think Louis can Ko Big George, but i would think it would be later the fight!

What would be interesting is to see as to how louis would fight the first five rounds, i know he wouldn't rope a dope, but then again how can he slug against a monster like foreman?

The key for me, is not "how does Foreman consistantly land" it is "how does Foreman stop Louis consistantly landing?" Foreman has below average hand speed, little hip leverage, a reletavley wide arc and whilst he has great cut off footwork he has little in the way of inner footwork (beautifully illustrated by Ali's strategy).

Louis, meanwhile, has near perfect punching arc, great handspeed, great hip leverage, near perfect inner footwork. Foreman can't hit Louis on the chin. But Louis made a career out of trying to get guys onto the front foot against him and here is a guy doing exactly that for free.

Louis KO1 Foreman.

George's great chin might get him out of the first round.

Foreman is the big man i'd be happy to lay my life on Louis taking out. He's the great that is made for Joe.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:37 PM   #38
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Same way Schemmling did,for example. But even much more ferocious.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:39 PM   #39
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Same way Schemmling did,for example. But even much more ferocious.
Schmelling did it primarily with smarts and timing.

George has less than a great deal of either.

Schmeling I was not peak Louis in action in my opinion.
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Same way Schemmling did,for example. But even much more ferocious.
You could not find two fighters more diferent than Schmeling and Foreman stylisticaly.

Schmeling was a defensive counterpuncher who used his boxing skills to exploit a flaw in Louis's style. Foreman was a crude slugger who would not do anything so subtle.
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I know some fault Louis for not being very mobile.

Extremely accurate, yes. But his footwork in regards to being mobile... Suspect in some peoples eyes.
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I know some fault Louis for not being very mobile.

Extremely accurate, yes. But his footwork in regards to being mobile... Suspect in some peoples eyes.

Yeah, I think there is something in this, although he proved himself OK against some pretty mobile fighters...as regards this fight though it's not relevant.

It's his inside footwork which is important, and that is close to peerless.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:49 PM   #43
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Foreman blasts that mummy out of the ring,period.

Schmeling had a heavy right hand and so had Foreman. Schmeling had a gameplan. Foreman's heavy right hand would land straight on that mummy's chin. Louis jabs wouldn't do shit.
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Foreman blasts that mummy out of the ring,period.
Of the two, Foreman was more mummy-like as Ali pointed out.

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Schmeling had a heavy right hand and so had Foreman.
That is where the similarities end.

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Schmeling had a gameplan.
And?

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Foreman's heavy right hand would land
Possible if Louis was standing still and not throwing. But Louis's punch is shorter, faster, more accurate and easier to combine with other punches to make combinations.

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Louis jabs wouldn't do shit.
He wouldn't need it. He probablly wouldn't try to use it unless Foreman tried to box which seems a little unlikely.
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limiting: robotic style,easy to hit,a good jab doesn't stop Big George

George would floor him 4 times before they would carry Louis out on a stretcher.
A good jab may not stop Foreman, but Louis was by no means limited to being just a jabber. He could lead off of power shots better than almost any heavyweight in history and could counter even the most cautious boxers. Against a wrecking-ball style brawler like Foreman, his only problem would be choosing which telegraphed punch to counter.

Easy to hit? Louis had a very solid defense and better reflexes than Foreman. Out of these two, Louis is by far the superior defensive fighter. Foreman lacks either the speed or volume to find cracks in Louis's defense.

Again, you've failed to define how he's robotic. That said, we have made reductionist progress: first you said he was robotic and limited, now you've combined both of these spurious criticisms into one vague answer.

I again ask- how was Louis robotic? He didn't go in one direction laterally; he didn't have to go either on the back foot or front foot; his punch sequences were varied and eclectic. Louis was robotic only in the same way a swarm of killer bees is robotic (ie. not at all). You never knew what was coming next against a boxer-puncher like Joe Louis.
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