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Old 03-10-2013, 04:53 AM   #1
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Do you give credit to Calzaghe credit for beating an old and shot RJJ?
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:41 AM   #2
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Do you give credit to Calzaghe credit for beating an old and shot RJJ?
Yes it was a good win. Calzaghe had only just gone to LHW and was champ.
Calzaghe was also old shot and bloated.

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Lets remember that Jones, Calzaghe was viewed as a bigger better fight than Hopkins, Pavlik and many predicted Jones to win
Bet you didnt disagree with all these so called experts before the fight
Hindsight is one thing, but look at the facts, the Ring LHW champ beat The Ring #6 in a fight many expected him to lose. It was a big fight at the time but now Calzaghe clearly won, they say Jones was shot

Bernard Hopkins- Former two-division world champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe on April 19, 2008 and lost by split decision
Fought Roy Jones Jr. May 22, 1993 and lost by unanimous decision

“Jones by unanimous decision based on his speed and power.”

Lennox Lewis- Former heavyweight champion
"Jones has unbelievable speed and Calzaghe's never fought anyone like him. Jones likes it when his opponent comes to him and unfortunately for Calzaghe, that's exactly what he does; comes to his opponent and is right in their face. I pick Jones on points, but I think it’ll be a very close fight."

Jeff Lacy- Former IBF super middleweight champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe March 4, 2006 and lost by unanimous decision

“It’s going to be a hard fight to pick. If Jones doesn't stay on the ropes and give Calzaghe angles and lots of movement I'm going to go with Jones by decision. Roy can't stay on the ropes and give Joe the chance to throw his slapping punches. This is a great fight for Jones to win and setup a big money fight again with Hopkins!”

Glen Johnson- Former IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine light heavyweight champion
Fought Roy Jones September 25, 2004 and won by KO in 9th round

“Roy Jones will win. I believe Calzaghe fights an amateur style. He throws a lot of slappy punches. Roy throws much more meaningful punches. In general, Calzaghe will throw more punches than Roy, but Roy’s will be harder hitting. Unless the judges are blind, they will see that the harder punches make Jones the winner. They should see that Roy Jones’ hard-hitting punches make the difference.”

Vernon Forrest - WBC welterweight champion
“Roy Jones is still the best fighter in my era and still arguably one of the best fighters period. Roy with his speed can match Calzaghe, and he has power. So the power and speed is with Roy. Roy by decision.”

Paulie Malignaggi- Former IBF junior welterweight champion.

"It's a hard fight to pick. I thought Calzaghe at first because, but maybe he's too much for Roy right now. But based on what Joe just said about the three Brits beating the three Americans (Calzaghe-Jones, Hatton-Malignaggi, Haye-Barrett), I'm pulling Roy home.....Jones by decision."

Winky Wright- Former world junior middleweight champion

“I think Roy is going to win. I think that his punches are going to be sharper than Calzaghe’s and I think that Roy is a harder puncher. I think it might go all 12 rounds, but if somebody gets stopped I think its Calzaghe late in the fight.”

Dan Rafael- ESPN.com

“Although Calzaghe is the favorite, I think Jones' style and speed -- he's still fast -- are going to give him problems. I think it will be a tough, close fight but I'm going with the upset special. I like Jones to pull it out on a close decision.”

Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal

”Jones over Calzaghe. This is a fascinating fight. Jones is still quick and with his awkward style and dangerous punching power is able to freeze very active opponents like Calzaghe. I'm picking Jones by a decision.”

Tim Smith- New York Daily News

“Roy Jones has good power and I think that will offset the volume of punches that Calzaghe throws. Calzaghe has a good chin so I don't see him getting knocked out. I like Jones in a decision.”

Franklin McNeil- Newark Star Ledger
“On paper, Calzaghe should not have much difficulty getting by Jones. Calzaghe is a southpaw, and Jones has had his most difficult outings against non-orthodox fighters. And though each man has quite a few miles on his tires, Jones has logged a bit more. The physical edge goes to Calzaghe, but stylistically Jones’ constant movement could prove to be beneficial. If Jones can control the pace, make Calzaghe miss, score with counter shots and his stamina holds up, he will win. Jones wins by decision.”

Bobby Cassidy- Newsday
“I like Roy Jones in the 11th round TKO. Calzaghe does not have the power to keep Jones honest. I think by the second half of the fight Jones will be picking him a part. Calzaghe looked so good against Hopkins because Hopkins didn't have the firepower to slow him down. But Jones has both speed and power. In other fights, Calzaghe has been able to adjust to one of those assets; he won't be able to adjust to both, especially from a fighter like Jones.”

There are were more predictions for Jones against Calzaghe, that picked Jones as a winner.
Although there were many that also picked for Calzaghe the poll on Bunces boxing was said 60% in favour of Jones as I recall.

Remember how after Jones lost to Calzaghe that Jones fought Lebedev a while later.
In that fight he was stopped in the final round against D Lebedev. On one of the judges cards Jones was ahead and could have been given the benefit of a KD in the last round before the stoppage. In Lebedevs previous fight he fought world champ M Huck to a SD which many felt he won.
Lebedev then fought J Toney and beat him in every single round, and nobody felt Toney was shot before the fight and if they really did, I never heard anyone say Toney was more shot than Jones. I read quite alot of people felt Toney was going to win and Toney was more proven at CW than Jones.

So now how shot do you think Jones was. Jones chin has never been the best as evidenced by how badly shook up he seemed when Lou Del Valle caught him flush and put him down.

If we look at Jones 2 fights against Lebecev and Hopkins where he lost -
Against Lebedev Jones was ahead on one card in the final round and unlucky not to have a KD scored against a CW who had just fought a world champ to a SD and
Against Hopkins, Jones scored a KD that Hopkins made out was behind his head as he wasnt able to continue without some time out and Hopkins went on to become recognised as the LHW champ and is a champ again. That could have been a KO win for Jones.

Look at how Jones straight after Calzaghe looked good in beating sheika in 5 one sided rounds. The same Sheika who gave Diaconu a then top 10 LHW a tough fight.
Or how Jones looked impressive in beating J Lacy.

No doubt some fanboys will feel threatend by this question and bring up Calzaghe, but just try and be real men and answer the question.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:46 AM   #3
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Ofcourse not.Roy was shot to ****ing shit.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:05 AM   #4
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Who did Calzaghe fight that was in their prime? A green Lacy? Manfredo - that ****ing joke.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:33 AM   #5
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Yes it was a good win. Calzaghe had only just gone to LHW and was champ.
Calzaghe was also old shot and bloated.


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When fighter win over RJJ(that was not 20% of what he used to be) is considered good win you know fighters record is shit
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:04 AM   #6
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**** me! How many more times?????

Joe HIMSELF said Roy was shot on TWO occasions before they fought.

Roy hadn't won at elite level for FIVE years!

Bailey,

You make me laugh out loud when you say Joe was bloated. Do some research. The last 4 years he spent at 168 were a living hell for him! He starved himself. His 175 camps were great because he ate better and didn't have to lose as much weight.

As for you listing the people who thought Roy would win, why don't you balance it out and list the guys who thought Joe would win.

Ricky Hatton
Manfredo
Ruiz
De la Hoya
Manny
Khan
Mickey Ward
Dawson
Freddie Roach
Sugar Shane.

All of the above thought Calzaghe would win, and I know you already knew that.

What did Shane say again?

"Roy back in the day would have destroyed Joe!"

Shane was right.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:40 AM   #7
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Do you give credit to Calzaghe credit for beating an old and shot RJJ?
Sure, look how destitute his record is without even that sad win.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:49 AM   #8
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"My son came into my dressing room before the Roy Jones fight crying his heart out because he saw me get knocked down against Bernard Hopkins a couple of months earlier.
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"He had also spent the Jones build-up watching footage of Jones' glory years, when he was at his peak, on You Tube.

"Connor was sobbing 'dad, he is amazing' and I tried to reassure him 'don't worry son, Jones isn't that good anymore.'
- Joe Calzaghe


I think this pretty much answers the question. I was a pretty big Calzaghe fan, but a prime Roy Jones Jr. would have beaten him easily.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:08 AM   #9
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no. give him the hopkins win. that was a great win. jones was a zombie
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:45 AM   #10
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- Joe Calzaghe


I think this pretty much answers the question. I was a pretty big Calzaghe fan, but a prime Roy Jones Jr. would have beaten him easily.
Your're quoting a father comforting his young worried child and an 8 year old
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Who did Calzaghe fight that was in their prime? A green Lacy? Manfredo - that ****ing joke.
Was Lacy green having his 6th world title fight? Lacy was the favourite and an undefeated SMW world champ with a better SMW resume than most of the current SMW top 10.
Then there was Mitchell, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Veit, Kessler, Eubank who were all SMW world champs also at some point not to forget all the other top 10 SMW names
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Roy was shot to shit, the victory means very little.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:09 PM   #13
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Only drunken British and three Welsh trolls do.
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Yes it was a good win. Calzaghe had only just gone to LHW and was champ.
Calzaghe was also old shot and bloated.


Remember how after Jones lost to Calzaghe that Jones fought Lebedev a while later.
In that fight he was stopped in the final round against D Lebedev. On one of the judges cards Jones was ahead and could have been given the benefit of a KD in the last round before the stoppage. In Lebedevs previous fight he fought world champ M Huck to a SD which many felt he won.
Lebedev then fought J Toney and beat him in every single round, and nobody felt Toney was shot before the fight and if they really did, I never heard anyone say Toney was more shot than Jones. I read quite alot of people felt Toney was going to win and Toney was more proven at CW than Jones.

So now how shot do you think Jones was. Jones chin has never been the best as evidenced by how badly shook up he seemed when Lou Del Valle caught him flush and put him down.

If we look at Jones 2 fights against Lebecev and Hopkins where he lost -
Against Lebedev Jones was ahead on one card in the final round and unlucky not to have a KD scored against a CW who had just fought a world champ to a SD and
Against Hopkins, Jones scored a KD that Hopkins made out was behind his head as he wasnt able to continue without some time out and Hopkins went on to become recognised as the LHW champ and is a champ again. That could have been a KO win for Jones.

Look at how Jones straight after Calzaghe looked good in beating sheika in 5 one sided rounds. The same Sheika who gave Diaconu a then top 10 LHW a tough fight.
Or how Jones looked impressive in beating J Lacy.

No doubt some fanboys will feel threatend by this question and bring up Calzaghe, but just try and be real men and answer the question.
I know trolls quit after 400 posts, you're taking it all the way to 11k+. Seriously, you need to stop breathing as soon as possible. Welcome to the ignore list, about time I won't see that despicable avatar again.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:13 PM   #15
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I know trolls quit after 400 posts, you're taking it all the way to 11k+. Seriously, you need to stop breathing as soon as possible. Welcome to the ignore list, about time I won't see that despicable avatar again.
So you couldnt counter the post details.
What a coward act to put someone on ignore because you cant answer a post
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