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Old 08-09-2007, 04:38 PM   #1
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If he had great power this guy could have been p4p number one in my opinion. Might have brought him wins v Greb and Tunney to start with, I understand these fights were quite close?

Is there any footage of Loughran v Tunney?

If not, do any of you guys know the details of his fight with Tunney and Greb?

How shadey was the win over Walker, I understand Walker was better of financially losing that one?

Finally, where do you rate him overall at 175?
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:00 PM   #2
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If he had great power this guy could have been p4p number one in my opinion. Might have brought him wins v Greb and Tunney to start with, I understand these fights were quite close?
Like you say Loughran is a clasic example of a fighter who relied on technique above all to get the job done. Some newspapers thought that he did beat Tunney in their encounter and it is worth noting that Tunney never fought Loughran again after he had matured as a fighter.

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How shadey was the win over Walker, I understand Walker was better of financially losing that one?
With the light heavyweight title on the line I imagine that Walker came to fight. Walker had ambitions to take the heavyweight title and so I think he was motivated by factors other than money.

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Finally, where do you rate him overall at 175?
Top 10 for sure. Arguably top 5.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:09 PM   #3
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New York times acount of Greb Loughran

Loughran Sets Fast Pace In Early Sessions, but Greb Makes Strong Rally.

Greb and Loughran were pelted with a flurry of applause as they entered the ring at Madison Square Garden last night. Gene Tunney, Larry Goldberg and Johnny Dundee were introduced before the bout started. Kid McPartland was the referee. It was announced that both Loughran and Greb weighed 166 pounds. The story of the fight by rounds follows:

FIRST ROUND
Greb opened with a typical rush. He lashed out with rights and lefts for the face without direction. The champion's rush flustered Loughran for a time, but the Quaker City boxer quickly started pecking with a left jab which had Greb's head bobbing. Greb was kept at bay with Loughran's stiff left jabs. The champion kept tearing in , but was wild while Loughran countered cleverly. At close quarters Loughran worked both hands to the body. Greb sought to work in the clinches, but his attack was checked by Loughran.
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SECOND ROUND
Greb rushed and was met with a left jab to the face. They clinched. Greb was short with a right for the face and took a stiff left jab in return. In the clinches Loughran held against attack. A left jab drew the blood from Greb's mouth. Greb rushed and landed a right to the face and body. Loughran hooked a left to the face just before the bell.
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THIRD ROUND
They exchanged left jabs. Greb rushed wildly about the ring in an effort to drive in a godd punch. Greb landed a right to the jaw but missed repeatedly as he continued his furious assault. After sparring for a while Greb landed a right to the jaw and Loughran shot a right uppercut to the chin. Loughran turned Greb half way round with a right to the jaw. Loughran landed to the jaw and followed with left and rights to the jaw.
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FOURTH ROUND
Loughran hooked a left to the jaw and then drove a left and right to the body. Greb started roughing Loughran at close quarters. In the clinches Loughran pumped his right to the body. The crowd booed Greb for using his head in the clinches. Greb opened a cut over Loughrans left eye with a wild right. They exchanged rights and lefts to the body in a mix-up near the bell.
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FIFTH ROUND
Loughran landed several light lefts and they clinched. Greb rushed continually, but was wild. Greb was warned for using his head in close quarters. Greb landed a left hook to the face. Greb hooked a left to the body. Loughran drove a right to the heart as Greb came in. After sparring for awhile Loughran drove another right to the heart. They were clinched at the bell.
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SIXTH ROUND
Loughran landed several light lefts to the face and then drove a right to the jaw. Loughran jabbed a left to the face and drove a right to the body. Greb repeatedly rushed Loughran to the ropes, but did not land a clean punch. Loughran made no effort to take the offensive. They were clinched at the bell and the crowd was voicing its disaproval.
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SEVENTH ROUND
Greb rushed, landing a left to the stomach and face. They exchanged rights to the body. Greb uppercut with a wild right to the chin which drew the blood from Loughran's mouth. At close quarters Greb did all the work. loughran drove a left and right to the body. Both missed with rights for the jaw. They were sparring at the bell.
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EIGHTH ROUND
Greb rushed his rival and they clinched without either striking a damaging blow. Greb was warned for using his head at close quarters. They exchanged rights to the stomach. Greb drove Loughran to the ropes under a shower of rights and lefts to the face. Greb hooked a left to the stomach. Loughran drove a right and left to the jaw and took a left to the stomach in return just before the bell.
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NINTH ROUND
Greb pounded the face and body with a right at close quarters. Loughran landed several jabs and then drove a right to the jaw. They exchanged rights to the body. Greb roughed Loughran in the clinches. The champion was warned again for using his head. Loughran drove a hard right to the body. They exchanged lefts to the face at the bell.
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TENTH ROUND
Greb drove Loughran about the ring with lefts and rights to the body and face. A right to the ribs almost floored Loughran. Greb carried a furious pace in driving home lefts and rights to the body and jaw which made Loughran hold,. Loughran drove a right to the jaw as Greb rushed in. In a clinch they exchanged rights to the body. Greb hooked a left to the body which made Loughran gasp. Greb forced Loughran around the ring at the bell.
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ELEVENTH ROUND
Greb rushed his rival about the ring and landed two solid rights to the jaw. They exchanged rights to the body. Greb worked his right to the body and face at close quarters. Loughran uppercut a right to the face, but took three solid lefts to the stomach in return. They were clinched at the bell.
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TWELFTH ROUND
The boxers clinched repeatedly at the start of this round. Greb drove his right to the face and body at close quarters. Greb twice hooked his left to the stomach and then drove his left and right to the face and Loughran pounded the body with rights and lefts. Loughran drove a right to the heart at the bell.
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THIRTEENTH ROUND
Greb sent Loughrans head back with a left in a clinch. At close quarters Greb worked lefts and rights to the stomach. Greb twice hooked his left to the wind. Greb leaped in with another left hook that made Loughran gasp. Loughran bombarded the body with lefts and rights as Greb tore in. Greb missed with a left and right for the face and took a right to the body. Greb rushed his rival to the ropes and landed a left to the face at the bell.
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FOURTEENTH ROUND
Loughran was warned for hitting low with the right, but the crowd hissed the warning. The boxers fought furiously, exchanging rights and lefts to the body in spirited mix-ups. Loughran drove his left and right to the body, while Greb swung with both hands to the face or body. Greb almost doubled Loughran up with a left hook to the body. Greb drove a left and right to the jaw. Loughran opened up a two-handed attack to the body at the bell.
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FIFTEENTH ROUND
The men shook hands. Greb drove a left hook to the wind and they clinched. Loughran drove a right to the body. As Greb tore in Loughran landed lefts and rights to the body. They exchanged left hooks to the wind. Greb drove a left and right to the jaw, but took a left and right to the body in return. Loughran tore in and landed several hard left and rights to the body. Loughran caught Greb coming in with a left and right to the jaw. Loughran drove a right to the jaw just before the final bell.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:18 PM   #4
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Cheers, Janitor. It's gold.

These two seemed to like each other well enough I guess.

Loughran apparently said that every technique he encountered after Greb was easier for having fought him. He also said Greb fougt very differently when a decision was to be rendered, which I find interesting.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:27 PM   #5
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He also said Greb fougt very differently when a decision was to be rendered, which I find interesting.
When Greb fought Wilson for the midleweight title he abandoned his windmill attack and outboxed him.

I guess that when a decision was to be rendered he fought a cleaner fight and tried to impress the juudges while in an ND he just went hell for leather for a knockout.
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:28 PM   #6
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Tommy was a master for sure.
If he did have a punch then top 10 all time 4 sure.Probebly higher.
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:17 AM   #7
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Having seen a good 30 minutes of Walker-Loughran, I can assure you that Mickey was trying. He was chasing Loughran all over the ring and bringing the pressure. It was quite comical to see such a big bodied man run from the smaller Walker. Fight was really close imo, if Loughran won it, he just edged it.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:40 AM   #8
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Taken from Time Magazine

Tommy Loughran, world's light- heavyweight boxing champion, training in Hoosick Falls, N. Y. for a bout with James J. Braddock, swam 100 yards (out and back) to rescue one Herta Ehmler who, plucking water lilies, had fallen out of her boat into Fairy Manor Lake.
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Tommy Loughran vs Jim Braddock

Before hand injuries busted him down to journeyman status and he moved up to heavyweight Jimmy Braddock was seen as a Bob Foster like figure in the light heavyweight division. Unusualy rangy for the division with teriffic power. Loughran overcame these advantages with his hand speed and boxing ability beating Braddock to the punch.

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The comentary is interesting because it tells you details of both fighters careers that you cannot glean from records or footage. For example that Tommy Loughran started out his career as a slugger.
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