If Wills had matched and beat Dempsey for the title,who takes it form him? - Page 2

mr. magoo · 12-11-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I have to agree with this.

Although you wonder if his old foe Langford wouldn't get the shot.

Nah, the world was not yet ready for another black champion. If Wills had won the title, the next black man to get a shot would have been Tim Witherspoon.

Maxmomer · 12-12-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by janitor

First he has to beat Dempsey.

Masive assumption.

Well, McGrain said that Dempsey was out of the picture for "whatever reason". I choose to believe it's because he was eaten by a Kodiak bear.

ThinBlack · 03-13-2013, 12:04 AM

Joe Louis.

mcvey · 03-13-2013, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

If you were having an educated guess?

Assume Jack is out of the picture, for whatever reason.

Dempsey loses to Wills in his second defence, fighting Wills instead of Brennan, December 1920.

Wills ducks Gibbons, but takes on Jack Renault in 1924 ,and loses his title by a surprisingly easy decision. An average two year reign that stops any talk of a Black Nemesis.

PowerPuncher · 03-13-2013, 08:18 AM

It would depend how long he stayed hungry for, I think after the Dempsey fight finally collapsed in '26 he may have gave up trying and that maybe part of the reason he lost to Sharkey. That alongside inactivity.

If his prime panned out the same way then Sharkey or Tunney around '26

There are also the question 'would the public pay to see 2 black men fight for the title'? If so Godfrey may have a shot

mattdonnellon · 03-13-2013, 09:01 AM

Wills gets Ko'ed by Rojas who loses to Gains. Gains, Godfrey and Walker have a series before Louis cleans it up, then we have Charles, Walcott, Valdez, Moore, Patterson, Liston etc with Rojas the last White champion before the Klits?

PowerPuncher · 03-13-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdonnellon

Wills gets Ko'ed by Rojas who loses to Gains. Gains, Godfrey and Walker have a series before Louis cleans it up, then we have Charles, Walcott, Valdez, Moore, Patterson, Liston etc with Rojas the last White champion before the Klits?

OK who stole our head to head matchmaking time machine and went back in time to kill Rocky's great great great grandad?

mattdonnellon · 03-13-2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

OK who stole our head to head matchmaking time machine and went back in time to kill Rocky's great great great grandad?

Black revenge, Caucasians frozen out.
Probable cause the race riots and ritual sacrefice in Chile after Gains handed Rojas his ass.

Colonel Sanders · 03-13-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Nah, the world was not yet ready for another black champion. If Wills had won the title, the next black man to get a shot would have been Tim Witherspoon.

Colonel Sanders · 03-13-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mattdonnellon

Wills gets Ko'ed by Rojas who loses to Gains. Gains, Godfrey and Walker have a series before Louis cleans it up, then we have Charles, Walcott, Valdez, Moore, Patterson, Liston etc with Rojas the last White champion before the Klits?

stevebhoy87 · 03-13-2013, 11:44 AM

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lufcrazy · 03-13-2013, 01:43 PM

Honestly I struggle greatly with unseen fighters in terms of confidently picking results.

So I'll take the easy way out and say he stays champ till Sharkey beats him up.

The likelihood is that he'd be made to draw the colour line as world champ so would be much less active. Brennan, Firpo then Sharkey.

I'm starting to be a bit more of a believer regarding the colour line and it's limitations. I mean if Johnson drew it, surely anyone would?

LittleRed · 03-13-2013, 02:06 PM

Greb beasts him in '22, and we have film. Klompton does biography on Jack Dillon instead. No one cares.

Mendoza · 03-13-2013, 02:13 PM

Depends. Does he meet Godfrey, who he avoided multiple times? I doubt it.

Maybe Sharkey, with Greb having an outside shot.

Boilermaker · 03-14-2013, 10:40 AM

Why does nobody give Big Bill Tate a chance? He did win Wills' coloured title during this period.

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mattdonnellon Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,408 vCash: 1000	Re: If Wills had matched and beat Dempsey for the title,who takes it form him? Wills gets Ko'ed by Rojas who loses to Gains. Gains, Godfrey and Walker have a series before Louis cleans it up, then we have Charles, Walcott, Valdez, Moore, Patterson, Liston etc with Rojas the last White champion before the Klits?
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,448 vCash: 330	Re: If Wills had matched and beat Dempsey for the title,who takes it form him? Honestly I struggle greatly with unseen fighters in terms of confidently picking results. So I'll take the easy way out and say he stays champ till Sharkey beats him up. The likelihood is that he'd be made to draw the colour line as world champ so would be much less active. Brennan, Firpo then Sharkey. I'm starting to be a bit more of a believer regarding the colour line and it's limitations. I mean if Johnson drew it, surely anyone would?
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