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Old 05-04-2013, 06:17 PM   #16
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Default Re: Bob Foster at heavyweight with an iron chin.

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I always thought that Monzon actually looked really big. He wasn't ripped to shreds like Marvin but I can't see him getting pushed around in there by anyone. He seemed more like a 'solid' guy.
yes, because escopeta had the frame of a super mw or even a lhw, he was stronger and bigger than hagler for sure, hagler was a small mw, he was muscular but his frame was small
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True, but their are exceptions though. Paul William, with his dimensions looked like a KO waiting to happen, but he's proven himself time after time to have a great chin and durability (the Martinez fight aside).
larry holmes had the builk of a skinny guy actually and his chin was decent, ali was a skinny guy in his early career,leonard was a skinny guy and he had a very good chin
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No, absolutely not. Give him an iron chin, and he still has very serious deficiencies in punching power, physical strength, mobility and defensive elusiveness. Bob Foster's defense was based upon picking off and deflecting punches with his gloves, not slipping them evasively.

Maybe if he bulked himself up with steroids like career ending rival Bob Hazleton did, then he'd have developed the heft to complement an iron chin. He just couldn't put on weight as needed, and Mackie Shilstone was over a decade and a half away from bulking up the far more versatile Michael Spinks for his heavyweight history making.

Provide BF with an iron chin, but otherwise unchanged, then Frazier absolutely brutalizes him to the body in what is very probably a career ending extended hammering. Bob actually enjoyed a decent opening round against Joe, but for whatever it's worth, Frazier did officially win that round by a small margin, jabbing more than evenly with Bob in the process. Give BF an iron chin, and that opening round is still likely as well as he does against Joe for however long the bout lasts. Only Jerry Quarry was able to out hook Frazier to the body for so much as a single round, and Bob wasn't the guy to improve on Jerry's opening three minute performance in 1969.

Keep in mind that BF was already 30 years old when he dethroned Dick Tiger at 175. Ali was four years younger, Frazier six years younger. These are not good opponents for a natural LHW to concede that kind of youth to.

Muhammad was too fast, too mobile, and too skilled for Bob. Give BF an iron chin, and the only way Foster avoids a shutout on the cards is if Ali clowns away a round or two purposely. Depending on the referee, this one could well be stopped late in Ali's favor due to Bob's inability to be competitive.

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster would not have seen the chin of either come into play. Floyd, again with too much speed, versatility, and skill for Foster, would put his stature shortening peek-a-boo to good use here, before crushing Bob down for the count with the same body attack he dispatched Brian London and Devil Green with.

Yes, Bob Foster's chin was deplorable at heavyweight, but he had a multitude of other flaws which would have been fatal against the competent heavyweights of his day. His LHW power completely abandoned him against even small heavyweight contenders like Doug Jones. With an impervious chin, there's still simply no way he's out jabbing Liston at any time in Sonny's career, not when Frazier was able to jab with Foster.

Jerry Quarry was also too fast, too skilled, and too versatile a heavyweight for Bob, and might have systematically broken every rib in BF's torso if he had a chance at avenging what Bob did to kid brother Mike. BF kept his right foot in the bucket exactly like Thad Spencer. (Keep Thad upright throughout that one to the final bell, and it remains a one sided shellacking by JQ.)

Bob Foster's failures as a heavyweight were uniquely absolute among ATG LHWs who tested themselves against world class HWs. He never had any success at all against them.

Once, he actually did go the ten round distance with a top heavyweight to suggest how he might have consistently done if endowed with iron whiskers in that division. Result? Zora Folley shut him out. He needed far, far more than an ability to absorb one on the chops to be a contending heavyweight. Henry Clark may well have given him an opportunity to last the ten or 12 round distance at the heavyweight level, but he'd have found himself revisiting the Folley experience again. Yes, I would favor Frazier's also-ran challengers, Ramos, Ziggy and Daniels, all over Bob, at the time each of them challenged Joe. (I'm omitting Stander, because Ron would just walk right through him like a playground bully.)

Let's put this another way. What contending or world class heavyweight of his era COULD Bob Foster have defeated with an iron chin on his head? Because even with that attribute, he also virtually becomes feather fisted at that level, and still a tall skinny target with little strength or mobility.
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