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Old 12-16-2008, 09:05 AM   #1
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Default HW Punchers - Who Faced The Five Best?

A game of sorts. What heavyweights faced the five best punchers? Did they live to tell the tale?

To begin, I've always been amazed by the caliber of punchers Lennox Lewis faced since he was so "chinny". His top five in my opinion, no real order, would look like...

Mike Tyson
David Tua
Shannon Briggs
Tommy Morrison

Beyond those four I think it becomes questionable. The last fighter there would either be Vitali, Ruddock, Bruno, Mason or potentially even Lionel Butler. I'm not sure who I'd favor.

Mason was really a poor mans Frank Bruno in many ways. Vitali in my opinion was a guy who wore you down, he was in no way a one punch KO artist like Tyson, Tua, Morrison or Briggs.

All said and done, a unbelievable set of punchers.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:07 AM   #2
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Ali fought a nearly unheralded level of punchers as well.

Earnie Shavers
George Foreman
Mac Foster
Sonny Liston

And then rounding that list out it'd be either Bonavena, Frazier, Moore or Patterson.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:11 AM   #3
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I don't think he ever fought all five, but Everett Bigfoot Martin fought

1. George Foreman

2. James " Boncrusher" Smith

3. Tim Witherspoon

4. Michael Moorer

5. Gary Mason

6. Johny Duplooy

7. Riddick Bowe

8. Tony Tucker

9. Herbie Hide

10. Wladimir Klitschko ( twice )

11. Bert Cooper

12. Lamon Brewster

Is he still alive? Yes. Does he have a brain left????????
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:31 AM   #4
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:35 AM   #5
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A game of sorts. What heavyweights faced the five best punchers? Did they live to tell the tale?

To begin, I've always been amazed by the caliber of punchers Lennox Lewis faced since he was so "chinny". His top five in my opinion, no real order, would look like...

Mike Tyson
David Tua
Shannon Briggs
Tommy Morrison

Beyond those four I think it becomes questionable. The last fighter there would either be Vitali, Ruddock, Bruno, Mason or potentially even Lionel Butler. I'm not sure who I'd favor.

Mason was really a poor mans Frank Bruno in many ways. Vitali in my opinion was a guy who wore you down, he was in no way a one punch KO artist like Tyson, Tua, Morrison or Briggs.

All said and done, a unbelievable set of punchers.
frank bruno was a massive puncher, his one shot power was up there with some of the very best, it was his stamina and chin that manly let him down.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:39 AM   #6
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Marion Wilson's been in there with some crazy competition. A real who's-who, with some good punchers.

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frank bruno was a massive puncher, his one shot power was up there with some of the very best, it was his stamina and chin that manly let him down.
I also feel that more fluid combinations could've made him even more deadly. Sometimes he'd have someone really stunned with a shot but would not have those follow-up punches ready that could've put them down.

Per punch, though, he was a beast.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:39 AM   #7
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Marion Wilson's been in there with some crazy competition. A real who's-who, with some good punchers.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:43 AM   #8
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Yeah, always liked Marion

All those fights and just a single stoppage loss...from cuts. Combination of a tremendous chin and the ringcraft to protect himself right when hurt. A real rock. Should've had a win over Mercer too.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:52 AM   #9
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He also dropped a undefeated Jeremy William's hard, made Mercer look bad when Marion had a new and good trainer behind himself.

Took Orlin Norris to a SD, and beat the ultra dangerous Mike Hunter.

Dropped an old Greg Page, damn near knocked out Ezra Sellers, fought on with his iron chin intact TO THE ****ING AGE OF 60.

I mean, all this with Joe Calzaghe plus level piss poor punching technique and a career that started when he was past 30 years old.

Definitely wouldn't think that by looking at his record of 40 plus losses.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:58 AM   #10
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A game of sorts. What heavyweights faced the five best punchers? Did they live to tell the tale?

To begin, I've always been amazed by the caliber of punchers Lennox Lewis faced since he was so "chinny". His top five in my opinion, no real order, would look like...

Mike Tyson
David Tua
Shannon Briggs
Tommy Morrison

Beyond those four I think it becomes questionable. The last fighter there would either be Vitali, Ruddock, Bruno, Mason or potentially even Lionel Butler. I'm not sure who I'd favor.
As far as punchers go, I'd rate Ruddock, Bruno, and Vitali over Briggs at least. Arguably Morrison and the shot version of Tyson he faced as well.
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As far as punchers go, I'd rate Ruddock, Bruno, and Vitali over Briggs at least. Arguably Morrison and the shot version of Tyson he faced as well.
I think Ruddock's knockouts were partly due to his ability to land unorthodox shots with that "Smash" of his. He had massive power, but consider his knockout ratio wasn't terribly high.

I feel Briggs had more one shot knockout power then Ruddock, and I believe Shannon has the record for 1st round heavyweight knockouts, on top of Marion Wilson saying he was the hardest puncher he ever faced in a interview.

Tyson did say no one ever hit him harder then Ruddock, though. Not sure when that was said, or here, but still.
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:56 PM   #12
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Tyson has said that quite a bit over the years actually, and never changed.

Sometimes it's not the guys you always expect that catch you with the biggest shot of your career. McCall went 300 rounds sparring with Tyson, and yet has always said the heaviest punches he ever took were from Bert Cooper.
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Louis: Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Jimmy Braddock, Tony Galento, Max Schmeling, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, take your pick.

His chin's badly underestimated because of the number of knockdowns he sustained, but he was frequently dropped while coming in (thus magnifying the impact of those punches). Only Schmeling ever really knocked him completely senseless. (After his fight with Marciano was stopped, he did walk back to his corner under his own power after being helped up.)
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Louis: Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Jimmy Braddock, Tony Galento, Max Schmeling, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, take your pick.

His chin's badly underestimated because of the number of knockdowns he sustained, but he was frequently dropped while coming in (thus magnifying the impact of those punches). Only Schmeling ever really knocked him completely senseless. (After his fight with Marciano was stopped, he did walk back to his corner under his own power after being helped up.)
I don't see how Braddock finds his way alongside those other punchers?
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I don't see how Braddock finds his way alongside those other punchers?
Braddock was the Tommy Hearns of the 30s light heavyweight division before his hand problems busted him down to journeyman level.

At heavyweight he is hard to guage but Louis did say that he was one of the hardest hitters he had faced up to that point.

Some names that might have been on that list are Lou Nova, Tami Maurellio, Abe Simon.
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