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Old 08-11-2007, 11:28 PM   #16
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Agreed he was hurt by Medina who was not a big puncher. And he couldn't even go 5 with De Leon so yeah he has a glass chin. Cabelerro took all of Ponce's punches.
Exactly Sonny Carson, Ponce is an effective volume hitter more so than a true 1 punch KO guy, his KO percentage is really nice but that's not all there is to look into.

The Medina fight really exposed Bautista, how anyone picked Bautista against an even better fighter is beyond me, but I did love the thread about "Can Bautista compete with Vasquez and Marquez?"...

Sure, for about 20 seconds!
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:29 PM   #17
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Ponce De Leon just marked Bautista's destiny. The kid will never be a great fighter. Great fighters, in the modern era, just don't get knocked out in the first round. Bautista may recover and become a strong contender, but he'll never be a really great fighter.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:29 PM   #18
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Ponce definitley can crack, but he's not normally a 1 punch KO guy, he throws a lot of punches and stops guys that way, this one was nearly a 1 punch KO.

Ponce hits good, but his volume power is even better, let's not look completely into the KO percentage.

But Bautista will likely get KOed easily again by an even lesser hitter, fully cementing this chin rating that I've given him, even though it's sad that people are even fighting back with the old "that punch would have KOed anybody" line, after something as definitive as this and knowing that Ponce normally lands a good bit of shots on lesser opponents before finishing them off... I've seen plenty of Ponce's opponents eat a lot of shots just like the one he landed on Bautista and it still takes a couple of rounds to grind them down.
If you dont consider ponce to be a 1 punch Ko guy then give an example of a guy who is cause I dont know if anyone would qualify for your standards.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:30 PM   #19
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:31 PM   #20
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He's young, definately doesn't have a very good chin, but he's still got to grow up. They rushed the kid along WAY too fast. He shouldn't have been anywhere near Ponce De Leon. I thought this one was going to end early, probably by an accidental headbutt.

Figured that De Leon would have wanted to rush in and try to finish it early to "avenge" his last performance. Was suprised that Bautista just wasn't able to do much. Thought he would at least be competitive for a few rounds before it was stopped on a cut, TKO or TD.

Congrats to Daniel Ponce De Leon. Never thought Bautista wouldn't be able to make it out of the first . Poor kid, I was rooting for him too .
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:32 PM   #21
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i forgot the fight was on what happened?
Forgot?...FORGOT?.....what kind of boxing fan are you?


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Old 08-11-2007, 11:34 PM   #22
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Bautista has the lateral movement of a cow.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:35 PM   #23
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Bautista did a Zab. His chin is grade A china from the 12th century. Fragile as I dont know what. He should of let Ponce Gas out trying to knock him out with one punch and he had to know his chin is suspect.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:38 PM   #24
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Bautista was into a lot of pressure ... He's facing a tough opponent... All his 5 teammates won their respective fights ... He is the Team Captain of Team Philippines ... Big responsibility on his shoulder ... He was nervous entering the ring for the biggest fight of his career ...

Hope he can recover soon ...
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:39 PM   #25
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If you dont consider ponce to be a 1 punch Ko guy then give an example of a guy who is cause I dont know if anyone would qualify for your standards.
Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez
Darnell Wilson
David Haye
Kermit Cintron
Rocky Jaurez(has the power, just is lazy)
Edwin Valero
Alejandro Berrio

Good?
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Ponce definitley can crack, but he's not normally a 1 punch KO guy, he throws a lot of punches and stops guys that way, this one was nearly a 1 punch KO.

Ponce hits good, but his volume power is even better, let's not look completely into the KO percentage.

But Bautista will likely get KOed easily again by an even lesser hitter, fully cementing this chin rating that I've given him, even though it's sad that people are even fighting back with the old "that punch would have KOed anybody" line, after something as definitive as this and knowing that Ponce normally lands a good bit of shots on lesser opponents before finishing them off... I've seen plenty of Ponce's opponents eat a lot of shots just like the one he landed on Bautista and it still takes a couple of rounds to grind them down.
Not a 1 punch hitter. Then I guess you guys missed the thai fighter that was knocked cold with a right hand in the 1st round of another
deleon fight. Ponce is a real PUNCHER. Not a volume guy. Geez!!
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:43 PM   #27
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Not a 1 punch hitter. Then I guess you guys missed the thai fighter that was knocked cold with a right hand in the 1st round of another
deleon fight. Ponce is a real PUNCHER. Not a volume guy. Geez!!
So some journeyman equivalent Thai fighter with a china chin getting taken out in the first somehow makes Bautista's chin look "okay" as well?
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Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez
Darnell Wilson
David Haye
Kermit Cintron
Rocky Jaurez(has the power, just is lazy)
Edwin Valero
Alejandro Berrio

Good?
You have vasquez up there but no leon?

Maybe bautista is grade a china but he faced a one punch Ko guy tonight.


An accumalative puncher would be Miguel Cotto or juan diaz, and when leon sits on his punches hes much more dangerous p4p.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:55 PM   #29
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You have vasquez up there but no leon?

Maybe bautista is grade a china but he faced a one punch Ko guy tonight.


An accumalative puncher would be Miguel Cotto or juan diaz, and when leon sits on his punches hes much more dangerous p4p.
Of course, Vasquez has iced guys who have proven solid punch resistance, not to mention more than a few elite fighters. De Leon couldn't put a dent in Penalosa(this guy has a great chin, but a Marquez or a Vasquez would take him out) and couldn't put a dent in Caballero(who has an average chin).

De Leon has good power, but he's really more volume oriented with his stoppage wins.
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Old 08-12-2007, 12:03 AM   #30
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Just saw the fight, and I have to agree with Ams this time.

No doubt, Bautista is a certified china-chinned guy.
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