Bautista - Classic example of Grade A China. - Page 3

J_Roth · 08-12-2007, 12:06 AM

Bautista may have a future in boxing yet. However he better learn to tuck his chin. That thing is grade a china. In the words of Derrick. That was an egg chin.

SOUTHERMOST · 08-12-2007, 12:27 AM

Round one the worst for anybody Bautista was cold Lennox made the comment I would like to see him vs Vasquez.

theunderdog · 08-12-2007, 12:32 AM

i told you guys so! boomboom's chin won't hold up and the miserable people who made a thread about him matching up against marquez and vasquez were ****ing dreaming. you guys know started that thread? he should be shamed. overhyped pinoy fighter. much like jaca against jmm. but i wish the kid well, i hope boomboom recovers. he's really young but the thing is a great chin can't be taught. he just doesnt have it. he should concentrate on not getting hit

way to go gerry!!! you freaking deserve it.

nervousxtian · 08-12-2007, 12:35 AM

Amsterdam is a douchebag, ignore him.

He can't ever give the guy doing the punching credit, nope it's always the ****ing chin with him.

Amsterdam ain't shit, he's nothing but a damn keyboard toughguy.

boxbox · 08-12-2007, 12:45 AM

a little above china imo, plus against a power puncher, it doesn't make it glass or else its like underrating ponces punching power

Ethan Trims · 08-12-2007, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Of course, Vasquez has iced guys who have proven solid punch resistance, not to mention more than a few elite fighters. De Leon couldn't put a dent in Penalosa(this guy has a great chin, but a Marquez or a Vasquez would take him out) and couldn't put a dent in Caballero(who has an average chin).

De Leon has good power, but he's really more volume oriented with his stoppage wins.

So vasquez doesnt have any UD wins on his record? I just looked and out of 40 wins he has around 10 UD. De leon has a better KO Percentage at this point then him and almost better than marquez

I will agree that De Leon has inferior technique and timing compared to Vasquez, but as for power he is in his league.

Oh and that Thai guy that almost had his head torn of by de leon in the 1st [URL="***********.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=067400&cat=boxer"]Sod Looknongyangtoy[/URL] was never Tko/Ko'd in his 30 fights before that.

All in all, I would put De Leon's straight left in the same league with Marquez's right, and Vasquez's left hook.

Circa · 08-12-2007, 12:58 AM

ponce is a monster puncher...

but still i agree... boomboom is a glass-chinned guy

Amsterdam · 08-12-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by damian55

So vasquez doesnt have any UD wins on his record? I just looked and out of 40 wins he has around 10 UD. De leon has a better KO Percentage at this point then him and almost better than marquez

I will agree that De Leon has inferior technique and timing compared to Vasquez, but as for power he is in his league.

Oh and that Thai guy that almost had his head torn of by de leon in the 1st [URL="***********.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=067400&cat=boxer"]Sod Looknongyangtoy[/URL] was never Tko/Ko'd in his 30 fights before that.

All in all, I would put De Leon's straight left in the same league with Marquez's right, and Vasquez's left hook.

KO percentage doesn't always reflect true KO power. Vitali Klitschko has 34 KO's out of 35 wins, that's a near perfect percentage, but he is not a 1 punch KO guy, he breaks you down over the course of the fight.

nervousxtian · 08-12-2007, 01:03 AM

Yeah, it's always the ****ing chin, never the puncher.

Gotcha. You need some serious help.

Amsterdam · 08-12-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nervousxtian

Amsterdam is a douchebag, ignore him.

He can't ever give the guy doing the punching credit, nope it's always the ****ing chin with him.

Amsterdam ain't shit, he's nothing but a damn keyboard toughguy.

I give credit where credit is due, note that I predicted this to happen, an early Ponce KO. This is something that I expected and I claimed to all of Bautista's fans that the kid could not take a big league shot, so where am I not giving anyone credit?

Ponce is a very average fighter for a top 10 ranked guy, he has good power but nothing in the region of the punch KO power that Vasquez and Marquez have.

If I'm not shit when it comes to boxing talk, then why were most people surprised by the result tonight, yet I was predicting it boldly?

Also, a keyboard toughguy I am not, I come here to discuss boxing, boldly yes, but in normal fashion, you just don't like the hard brutal facts and that's okay, but you have no grounds to call me a douchebag.

Amsterdam · 08-12-2007, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nervousxtian

Yeah, it's always the ****ing chin, never the puncher.

Gotcha. You need some serious help.

Well, someone not lasting after the first sat down flush shot is more indicative of a bad chin more so. A lot of people call that Rafael Marquez has a "shaky" chin due to all of his losses being by KO, I however debate that fact because in Marquez's last bout, Vasquez had to grind him down and Marquez ate many of his best shots before being stopped...

Marquez does not have a great chin, but it's solid enough for his purposes and to defeat Vasquez in the rubber match he'll just need a better game plan.

Now, do you not recognise the difference there? Marquez being KOed was indicative of Vasquez's excellent punching power, considering how proven Marquez is as an elite level P4P type fighter and to be on that level, you need a workable chin by default.

Bautista being out essentially after the first sat down flush shot is indicative more so towards his awful chin, which was already exposed by a relatively non-hitting fighter in Medina in his last bout as not so solid, it was no surprise that Ponce ended him as early as the first, some of us even predicted it.

jecxbox · 08-12-2007, 01:14 AM

Feeding a baby to a lion, his brain is too fresh and young to take that punch to the chin. His brain cells got violently raped, what a mismatch in strength.

theHawtness · 08-12-2007, 01:52 AM

that's pretty harsh dude. nonetheless, i expect him to lose, maybe KO in the later rounds and up until that point, a toe to toe match. guess i was wrong. im ****in disappointed.

1punch1nder · 08-12-2007, 02:34 AM

all i can say is he is too young and fought plenty of patsys in his carrier...

Carlos Primera · 08-12-2007, 02:44 AM

damn i'm feeling foolish right now. i thought bautista could have made this a fight as he seemed like a good prospect. i even leaned a bit on him just for being more technically sound. but damn this fight cements his chin rating as grade A china. he was in trouble of getting stopped against medina, was floored in that bout he had in telefutura, the slaughter by de leon just erased all doubt. he just got thrown in with a beast to quickly. i agree hype job khan will be the next to fall.

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nervousxtian Northwest Boxing Guru East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 5,367 vCash: 75	Re: Bautista - Classic example of Grade A China. Amsterdam is a douchebag, ignore him. He can't ever give the guy doing the punching credit, nope it's always the ****ing chin with him. Amsterdam ain't shit, he's nothing but a damn keyboard toughguy.
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boxbox Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,114 vCash: 1000	Re: Bautista - Classic example of Grade A China. a little above china imo, plus against a power puncher, it doesn't make it glass or else its like underrating ponces punching power
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theHawtness Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in my house Posts: 661 vCash: 1000	Re: Bautista - Classic example of Grade A China. that's pretty harsh dude. nonetheless, i expect him to lose, maybe KO in the later rounds and up until that point, a toe to toe match. guess i was wrong. im ****in disappointed.
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Carlos Primera Martinez is a badman ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Obama can keep the change Posts: 3,563 vCash: 75	Re: Bautista - Classic example of Grade A China. damn i'm feeling foolish right now. i thought bautista could have made this a fight as he seemed like a good prospect. i even leaned a bit on him just for being more technically sound. but damn this fight cements his chin rating as grade A china. he was in trouble of getting stopped against medina, was floored in that bout he had in telefutura, the slaughter by de leon just erased all doubt. he just got thrown in with a beast to quickly. i agree hype job khan will be the next to fall.
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