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Old 08-12-2007, 05:38 PM   #61
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Bautista has the lateral movement of a cow.
His lateral movement was phenomenal when he fell along the ropes towards the canvas.
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Old 08-12-2007, 05:44 PM   #62
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Oh yeah, same old "that punch woulda KOed anybody" routine. I'm sorry mate, but the first flush sat down shot that Ponce landed basically put him out on his feet, Ponce has a wonderful KO percentage, but in truth he normally stops guys on volume, not with 2 or 3 shots.

The kid obviously can't take a World Class punch, but this was well evident in his fight with Medina, whom also nearly finished him off, people will never learn however....

Punch resistance is very important.

He's young, it was his first big event and he got caught in the headlights. You could see it in his eyes the first time he was hit he was in trouble.

But, it makes no sense to label him "china chin" off of one early ko. It's not uncommon for a young fighter to get caught cold in their first spotlight bout.

Give Bautista a chance.
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:26 PM   #63
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Bautista's chin looks glass to me...and De Leon's power is overrated...Vasquez or Marquez would severly rape De Leon...
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:24 PM   #64
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his got the same chin as Trinidad. the difference is that the kid doesn't know how to survive when the gets hurt. he needs to hold, run or throw some low blows(ala tito) when he get caught clean. when he get taged cleanly he seems to just freeze.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:32 PM   #65
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Default Re: Bautista - Classic example of Grade A China.

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Ponce definitley can crack, but he's not normally a 1 punch KO guy, he throws a lot of punches and stops guys that way, this one was nearly a 1 punch KO.

Ponce hits good, but his volume power is even better, let's not look completely into the KO percentage.

But Bautista will likely get KOed easily again by an even lesser hitter, fully cementing this chin rating that I've given him, even though it's sad that people are even fighting back with the old "that punch would have KOed anybody" line, after something as definitive as this and knowing that Ponce normally lands a good bit of shots on lesser opponents before finishing them off... I've seen plenty of Ponce's opponents eat a lot of shots just like the one he landed on Bautista and it still takes a couple of rounds to grind them down.


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Come on, that's just ignorant. I'm with you on Bautista's chin because that shot didn't look as vicious as what I've seen from De Leon, but Looknangyantoy is no journeyman and had already gone a full 12 with De Leon.

Someone who is a china chin gets wobbled easy... when a punch knocks someone completely limp and unconscious before they hit the ground, that's something else. That's 1 punch KO power.

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I also agree that he has 1 punch power. In the beginning of the vid you posted it lists his 1st 2nd and 3rd round KO/TKOs as of that fight. I went to boxrec and wrote down the latest numbers.

1st round KO/TKO 10
2nd round KO/TKO 5
3rd round KO/TKO 5
4th round KO/TKO 3

Thats 23 KO/TKO's in 4 rounds or less out of his 29 wins by KO/TKO

That and the shot in the vid was just sick. Sod went the distance with him a few fights prior to that making the KO he suffered in the vid Italarican posted above his only KO loss in 33 fights. Looking at boxrec they have the 1st Ponce/Sod fight scored :

109/118
112/115
112/115

I missed that fight myself. How was it? the one score seems off but like I said I havent seen it. Anyone have any info on it?

Anyway I think Ponce has legitimate 1 punch KO power in my opinion.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:52 PM   #66
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The first fight was pretty close actually. 115-112 was probably the right score, I remember pulling for the thai guy in that fight, and it was a really competitive close fight.

Funny thing is, that was during the whole Mexico vs Thai cup thing a few years back.
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:25 PM   #67
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Forgot?...FORGOT?.....what kind of boxing fan are you?



i didnt forget but when i went and played bball i forgot what time it was on
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:48 PM   #68
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Ponce De Leon just marked Bautista's destiny. The kid will never be a great fighter. Great fighters, in the modern era, just don't get knocked out in the first round. Bautista may recover and become a strong contender, but he'll never be a really great fighter.
I second that
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:59 PM   #69
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Whoever thought he was going to be "great"? I mean other than the Pinoys?
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