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Old 05-31-2009, 05:56 PM   #1
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Something always "smells" about that fight.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:20 PM   #2
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I'm certain that the left hook Liston landed on Ali at 2:15 would have had lesser men on big trouble. He scores with some good uppercuts afterwards, snapping Ali's head back.

Liston also scores with a powerful right and a left at 5:35 but Ali took it well.
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:22 PM   #3
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Something always "smells" about that fight.
QFT.

I've never believed the fix was in, but this whole fight simply stinks.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:05 PM   #4
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Why would the put a substance on Liston's glove to blind Clay and then give him a pass? I don't get what this insinuation is aiming at. It was a known and oft repeated fact that Liston applied foreign substances.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:15 PM   #5
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Bizarre fight all the way through.

Liston did look like he was genuinely trying earlier, but did seem a bit slow to take advantage of Ali's "helpless" state. I suppose it could simply have been that he was showing too much respect for Ali's power after having been rocked by him a few times earlier.

Still, that fight was filled with weird shit all the way through. That's all I can say about it.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:52 PM   #6
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I didn't think Liston pulled his punches then, and I don't think he did now, either.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:54 PM   #7
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Why would the put a substance on Liston's glove to blind Clay and then give him a pass? I don't get what this insinuation is aiming at. It was a known and oft repeated fact that Liston applied foreign substances.
Maybe they were trying to make Ali quit? No idea.

Maybe Sonny's shoulder really was hurt, hence the substance on the gloves but then Sonny couldn't finish him because of a nagging injury.
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:46 PM   #8
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Maybe they were trying to make Ali quit? No idea.

Maybe Sonny's shoulder really was hurt, hence the substance on the gloves but then Sonny couldn't finish him because of a nagging injury.
I re-watched the 4th round again.....and at one point Clay's face does get pushed up close to Sonny's shoulder.

Maybe the liniment salve gets over in Clay's eyes at that point.

Still Liston's people should not be using liniment during the fight.
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:06 AM   #9
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no ****ing way
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:50 AM   #10
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Liston was rocked a few times earlier in the fight, a novel experience at that point in his career, and so he would have been somewhat cautious.

He had fought for a total of six minutes in the previous three years.

He probably wasn't expecting there to be a fifth round, and therefore wasn't in top shape.


Besides, he did appear to be trying to end things, but was losing energy.
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:52 AM   #11
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Why would the put a substance on Liston's glove to blind Clay and then give him a pass? I don't get what this insinuation is aiming at. It was a known and oft repeated fact that Liston applied foreign substances.
Joe Polino ,Sonny's corner man said they juiced the gloves ,then he threw the jar under the ring.
Liston was out of shape, had negligible ring rounds under his belt and was aging,he tried ,ran out of gas, and said F***K It.
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:15 AM   #12
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Maybe they were trying to make Ali quit? No idea.

Maybe Sonny's shoulder really was hurt, hence the substance on the gloves but then Sonny couldn't finish him because of a nagging injury.
Dundee suggests as much in his book, says they'd heard a rumour of a shoulder injury before the fight, that they were massaging the shoulder between rounds and that that's where iho the substance came from.
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Old 06-01-2009, 12:04 PM   #13
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Watch closely. Watch Sonny force his punches.No rhythm there.No one wanted Sonny champ ,even my beloved RING!!Where are you Lee Harvey &who,why????
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:22 PM   #14
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QFT.

I've never believed the fix was in, but this whole fight simply stinks.
Couldn't agree more. I don't have any explanations as to how or why, it just does.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:39 PM   #15
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Joe Polino ,Sonny's corner man said they juiced the gloves ,then he threw the jar under the ring.
Nigel Collins reported that, right?
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