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Old 12-23-2008, 11:24 AM   #1
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Default From Ring mag website: 10 greatest British fighters of all time

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1. Jimmy Wilde (137-5-2, 99 KOs; 1910-23): One of biggest punchers pound-for-pound ever

2. Ted “Kid” Lewis (232-44-24, 80 KOs; 1909-29): Second greatest Jewish fighter after Benny Leonard

3. Jackie “Kid” Berg (157-26-9, 61 KOs; 1924-45): Fought and beat many of America’s best

4. Joe Calzghe (46-0, 32 KOs; 1993-present): Perfect record is impressive but had few meaningful victories

5. Jim Driscoll (63-4-6, 39 KOs; 1901-19): Went 3-0 against the great George Dixon and beat Abe Attell

6. Benny Lynch (81-12-15, 34 KOs; 1931-3: Alcoholism curtailed his career and life

7. Ken Buchanan (61-8, 27 KOs; 1965-82): Had misfortune of being a contemporary of Roberto Duran

8. Lennox Lewis (41-2-1, 32 KOs; 1989-2003): Greatest British heavyweight of all-time

9. Owen Moran (65-19-8, 19 KOs; 1900-16): Had wars with some of the best little men ever

10. Randy Turpin (66-8-1, 45 KOs; 1946-64): Only the second man to beat the great Sugar Ray Robinson.

Five more: John Conteh, Nasem Hamed, Lloyd Honeygan, Barry McGuigan and Freddie Mills.

Note: Bob Fitzsimmons and Freddie Welsh, both British by birth, fought primarily outside Europe.

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Old 12-23-2008, 11:27 AM   #2
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Default Re: From Ring mag website: 10 greatest British fighters of all time

Bullshit

No further comment.

How you can have Lewis and Buchanan out of a top five.....

Just showed whoever did it knows shit about boxing.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:28 AM   #3
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Calzaghe's a bit too high at 4 as well.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:32 AM   #4
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I think Calzaghe fits somewhere in the lower half of the top 10, if there at all.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:34 AM   #5
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I think Calzaghe fits somewhere in the lower half of the top 10, if there at all.
Yeah, that sounds fair. Somewhere between 7 and 12.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:46 AM   #6
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It's only an opinion guys it's not craved in stone, but its hard to argue with most of it
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:46 AM   #7
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Calzaghe has done nothing to ******t a top 20 spot. So he beat Kessler...so what. He defends a shit belt and beats some old guys. So what.


Len Harvey, Bruno, Minter and a stack others deserve more mention than him.
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I dont agree with the list at all, Lennox Lewis should be much higher, Calzaghe lower, Owen Moran wouldnt make my list, Freddie Welsh won the british and european title, if he aint british what the **** is he? And Bob Fitzsimmons, well you can make an arguement i guess, but i class him as british. Id have Honeyghan in there aswell, you could make a case for Naz aswell.
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:00 PM   #9
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Out of curiosity did Fitzsimmons ever say whether he considered himself British or Kiwi or Yank?

Calzaghe is way too high, LL is too low.
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:20 PM   #10
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Lennox should be top three for starters!

I havent seen enough of Moran to argue either way to be honest, but he rarely makes other people's lists. Bit more research needed on him from me.

Naz shouldnt even be mentioned!
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What the hell has fighting outside Europe got to do with it?

Especially in Welsh's case.
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Old 12-23-2008, 12:29 PM   #12
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What the hell has fighting outside Europe got to do with it?

Especially in Welsh's case.
Agreed.

For clarity, if Bob Fitz is British he tops my list. But I'm happy to concede that he's not on the basis it puts Lennox in my top three. And I get happy about that
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I can see the argument for Fitzsimmons not being included. He was born in the UK, which should erase any doubts, but I suppose he learnt all his boxing in Oceania.

Freddie Welsh was in the UK until his teens where he was taught my his grand dad, who was a mountain fighter. Shouldn't fighting in America help and not hinder him on lists? I thought guys were criticized when they didn't, yet he's left out?
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The Ring mag is always full of bullshit.
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Why does Barry Mac get in, or close to these lists?
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