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Old 12-23-2008, 01:34 PM   #16
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Jackie Kid Berg is an interesting one. It is often forgotten he holds a win over Kid Chocolate. There are a number of interesting scalps too.
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:41 PM   #17
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I dont see why Welsh and Fitz cant be ranked but Lennox can...?

Imo all of them are British.
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:48 PM   #18
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It completely ignores the first 200 years of boxing history.

Apart from that it is bad as oposed to awfull.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:22 PM   #19
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I just don't get the Calzaghe thing. He has a resume with is more or less replicated by many, many, average to good boxers (Ottke, Erdie, Darios etc etc) with a win over Kessler (still unproven at the top), and a recently twice beaten 43 year old Hopkins nailed on the end. How on earth does that make you the fourth Greatest Brit ever well ahead of Lewis.

This isn't an official list by Ring anyway, it's just one blokes Ring blog.

At the peak of his achievments now Calzaghe is only rated as no3 in the world (4 if you count Floyd). No way is thar far ahead of Lewis, imo. Swap him and Lennox and the list starts to look a bit better, imho.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:26 PM   #20
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Hatton ought to be somewhere among the honourable mentions at least?
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:28 PM   #21
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4. Joe Calzghe (46-0, 32 KOs; 1993-present): Perfect record is impressive but had few meaningful victories.


I think he's placing a lot of currency on the 0.


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Old 12-23-2008, 02:40 PM   #22
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:41 PM   #23
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I just don't get the Calzaghe thing. He has a resume with is more or less replicated by many, many, average to good boxers (Ottke, Erdie, Darios etc etc) with a win over Kessler (still unproven at the top), and a recently twice beaten 43 year old Hopkins nailed on the end. How on earth does that make you the fourth Greatest Brit ever well ahead of Lewis.

This isn't an official list by Ring anyway, it's just one blokes Ring blog.

At the peak of his achievments now Calzaghe is only rated as no3 in the world (4 if you count Floyd). No way is thar far ahead of Lewis, imo. Swap him and Lennox and the list starts to look a bit better, imho.
Would you care to explain to us how Ottke and Erdei have resumes replicating Calzaghe's?
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I think he is referring to hiding behind belts, rather than the guys they actually fought - plenty of meaningless defences, stagnating (which Calzaghe did, badly).
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Whatever he meant, he came out with shite as usual. I'm sure he'll be along shortly to tell us exactly how Erdei especially, and then Ottke have the same resume as Calzaghe.
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I think Calzaghe's resume is better than Erdei or Ottke, but he was guilty of hiding behind a title - and there was no 'building towards something' if you get me. Just meaningless defence or meaningless defence.
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Would you care to explain to us how Ottke and Erdei have resumes replicating Calzaghe's?

You know fully to well, side by side, up to the point where Calzaghe took on Lacy (which is what I said) there are many similarities. In fact Reid robbery aside, Ottke's resume is better then Calzaghe's up to the Lacy fight. Actually a victory over Glen Johnson probably rates above one over Lacy.

Joe has the resume of DariosW, Erdie, Kessler, Ottke, dutchboysam, etc etc... with wins over Kessler, and a twice beaten, old, but still decent Hopkins nailed on the end. You know it. Which is fine, it's not that bad, but how does that make you one of the greatest ever?
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:55 PM   #28
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Resume is very simple. It doesn't require great analytical skills to match up names and results on a record, and to have a bit of background knowledge as to the context of the victory.

What Calzaghe did or didn't do will be reflected in his resume when it is compared to Ottke and Erdei. And it was still an idiotic statement.

Taking somebodies best wins off a record is idiocy of the highest order too. Maybe if I take a few World Cups off Brazil they don't look quite as good.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:02 PM   #29
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Brazil would still look very good, as they have depth and a rich history. Thanks for that you made my point.


You're trolling, my original point was perfectly valid. You then tried to make it sound like I stated Ottke had a better resume then Calzaghe, which is something I never said. BOGOFF.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:05 PM   #30
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It's difficult to make direct comparisons but I always feel Dick McTaggart deserves a mention in these lists for his remarkable achievements in the amateur game in the 50s and 60s.
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