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Old 12-23-2008, 04:43 PM   #46
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hammed is top 10 for me.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:05 PM   #47
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I would have thought it is very hard to fight that many fights over that length of time and still not lose a single one.
Not if you choose non challenges.

He missed out on all the great fighters of his era when they were at their best.

He has had 3 fights with which there was any doubt over the result, Kessler who is still unproven really, Hopkins who is old and Lacy who looks like the ultimate hypejob in hindsight.

Hatton could have a similar unbeaten record, but he fought the P4P#1 and is chasing another P4P#1.

Haye could have built a similar unbeaten record, but he constantly seeks the biggest challenges.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:22 PM   #48
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hammed is top 10 for me.



Absolutely no way Rob, he badly lost his only fight at genuine world class level. A prime Hamed wouldn't get anywhere near MAB or JMM or PAC or Morales etc..

Hatton should have an honourable mention if Naz does, very similar careers if you ask me. Although Hatton has done better following his crushing loss as opposed to Hamed who just shat himself and never got in the ring again....

JC is around 8-10 imo and LL should be top 3 without any doubt.

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Old 12-23-2008, 05:48 PM   #49
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Hatton would be in the top 10, along with Calzaghe.

Hamed gets an honourable mention.

If Hatton beats say Pac and then JMM, would he go above Calzaghe?
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:52 PM   #50
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Hatton would be in the top 10, along with Calzaghe.

Hamed gets an honourable mention.

If Hatton beats say Pac and then JMM, would he go above Calzaghe?
Hatton beats Pac and JMM, that's two wins that are better than any on Calzaghe's record, except maybe B-Hop. Whether it happens is another matter though.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:52 PM   #51
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does anyone think Honeyghan would even get an honourable mention if he'd not won a World Title, talent-wise?

And based on the combination of talent & accomplishments, does anyone feel that Herol Graham would have been anywhere near the top 10 had he won a World Title?
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:59 PM   #52
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I think Graham would crack a post-war top 10, but not an ATG list.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:24 PM   #53
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If Hatton beats say Pac and then JMM, would he go above Calzaghe?
I would travel anywhere to see Hatton take on Marquez
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:28 PM   #54
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I've just tried Jonoli's technique of taking best wins off a resume, how does Hatton's look to you Jonoli, with a few wins taken off?
Thats a fair question because its a trick thats been tried by TFFP when it suits his argument against Hatton. Hatton cheated against Zoo, JLC was shot....lets just rub all the best wins off a boxers record eh?
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:28 PM   #55
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Some people here must think an awful lot of Jermain Taylor.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:30 PM   #56
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Thats a fair question because its a trick thats been tried by TFFP when it suits his argument against Hatton. Hatton cheated against Zoo, JLC was shot....lets just rub the wins off the record eh?

I never ever rubbed the wins off Calzaghes record I credited him for Two wins and stated it takes him clear of the others (but questioned how a Kessler and Hopkins win makes him so clear of Lennox Lewis)!! I then looked at the rest of the record and said it is no different from the resume of Ottke, or many other fighters. What is so wrong with that?
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I was trying to make the point that TFFP pulling you up for "taking" wins from Calzaghes record is the same as him dropping Zoo and JLC from Hattons record.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:35 PM   #58
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Hatton would be in the top 10, along with Calzaghe.

Hamed gets an honourable mention.

If Hatton beats say Pac and then JMM, would he go above Calzaghe?
Trouble with Hatton's big wins are that they came against guys the wrong side of 30, this is the case recently for Calzaghe too and indeed Lennox Lewis too....although his destruction of Golota was impressive indeed....Holyfield and Tyson were past it, as were Castillo and Tszyu, as were Hopkins and Eubank

I think in a way the best route to ranking those three is to compare their second tier of wins with each other as people can always pick holes in the Tyson/Tsyzu/Jones Jr victories
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:43 PM   #59
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I was trying to make the point that TFFP pulling you up for "taking" wins from Calzaghes record is the same as him dropping Zoo and JLC from Hattons record.

Yes, I see your point, but I never took them off his record. He was trying to twist the argument so people thought that - I guess he succeeded.

I give Calzaghe credit for his win over Kessler and a past best Hopkins (unlike he does). As for the rest of his resume, I simply say it is no different or greater from many other fighters - that is fact.
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Trouble with Hatton's big wins are that they came against guys the wrong side of 30, this is the case recently for Calzaghe too and indeed Lennox Lewis too....although his destruction of Golota was impressive indeed....Holyfield and Tyson were past it, as were Castillo and Tszyu, as were Hopkins and Eubank

I think in a way the best route to ranking those three is to compare their second tier of wins with each other as people can always pick holes in the Tyson/Tsyzu/Jones Jr victories
Jones Jr and Tyson were shot to shit. It's very, very unfair to compare Tszyu with those two.
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