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Old 12-23-2008, 06:47 PM   #61
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Jones Jr and Tyson were shot to shit. It's very, very unfair to compare Tszyu with those two.
Tszyu was past his best and had a long layoff, so from that point of view there's always a target for people to criticise....I think the actual W was more impressive than the performance that night, Ricky's will to win was untrue that night and even though it was scrappy he deserves all the credit in the world for getting the W

My broader point was that the biggest wins for LL,RH and JC can all be scrutinised so therefore looking at their next best victories should be taken into strong consideration
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Hopkins = past peak (Calzaghe = prime, near enough)
Jones = shot to bits (Calzaghe = slightly past peak)
Tszyu = slightly past peak (Hatton = peak)
Castillo = shot (Hatton = near enough peak)
Holyfield = slightly past peak (Lewis = peak)
Tyson = shot to bits (Lewis = past peak)
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:49 PM   #63
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Thats a fair question because its a trick thats been tried by TFFP when it suits his argument against Hatton. Hatton cheated against Zoo, JLC was shot....lets just rub all the best wins off a boxers record eh?

Do you think Calzaghe should be ranked so high above Lewis, GazOC, do you think he should be no4 - if not why not?
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:49 PM   #64
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Jones Jr and Tyson were shot to shit. It's very, very unfair to compare Tszyu with those two.

OK

I'll group Hopkins/Tszyu/Holyfield as the best wins against the bigger names

Who then has the better group of victories below that very elite level??
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:50 PM   #65
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That isn't such a bad list by Golden Boy Magazine's standards to be fair

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Old 12-23-2008, 06:51 PM   #66
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I personally don't think Calzaghe can lick Lewis's boots, not can Hatton.

Look at their records, and the records of the fighters they faced - especially what they did subsequently.

The Hopkins Pavlik thing will crop up, but did Calzaghe really beat Hopkins?
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Hopkins = past peak (Calzaghe = prime, near enough)
Jones = shot to bits (Calzaghe = slightly past peak)
Tszyu = slightly past peak (Hatton = peak)
Castillo = shot (Hatton = near enough peak)
Holyfield = slightly past peak (Lewis = peak)
Tyson = shot to bits (Lewis = past peak)

So then it goes down to Golota, Malignaggi and Kessler

Or even Bruno, Tackie , Lacy

Gets tricky to rank them
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OK

I'll group Hopkins/Tszyu/Holyfield as the best wins against the bigger names

Who then has the better group of victories below that very elite level??
Lewis does. By a country mile.
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I personally don't think Calzaghe can lick Lewis's boots, not can Hatton.

Look at their records, and the records of the fighters they faced - especially what they did subsequently.

The Hopkins Pavlik thing will crop up, but did Calzaghe really beat Hopkins?
You could say did Hatton beat Urango(I meant Collazo, I'm a twat I know......) when he stepped up in weight....that was a ridiculously risky fight to take, also did Lennox deserve to beat Ray Mercer???
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Lewis does. By a country mile.

I agree I'm just posing the question its quite interesting ranking levels of opponents faced as depth is always important in a CV
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So then it goes down to Golota, Malignaggi and Kessler

Or even Bruno, Tackie , Lacy

Gets tricky to rank them
I think Malignaggi is about #4/5 on Hatton's win list, I don't rate him really.

Tackie would be similar, #4/5.

Bruno would be about #7/8 on Lewis's list, Golota perhaps slightly higher, but either of his wins over Holyfield or Ruddock, Rahman II, Grant etc........ would go above that.

Kessler is clearly Joe's 2nd best win, if you count Hopkins.
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It still doesn't even make sense, when you take away those wins you take away being an undisputed champion which is a career achievement and counts for more than just a win.

It's a completely pointless thing to start taking wins away to make points. Perhaps you can take away a few and I'll add a few make believe wins.

Take the resumes as they are. It's far more logical and sane. Any depth or lack of it will be self evident when you look at the real world resume, not the JonOli "I wish the resume looked like this" resume.
Bout sums that nonsense he came away with up.

Very poor list, though Wilde being top with Fitzsimmons exempted is fair enough.

Lewis is wayyyyy too low.

Just horrible all round really.
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I think Malignaggi is about #4/5 on Hatton's win list, I don't rate him really.

Tackie would be similar, #4/5.

Bruno would be about #7/8 on Lewis's list, Golota perhaps slightly higher, but either of his wins over Holyfield or Ruddock, Rahman II, Grant etc........ would go above that.

Kessler is clearly Joe's 2nd best win, if you count Hopkins.
How do you rank the Hitmans wins then???

I liked his Magee and Thaxton victories but were they ever world class??

By the way I meant Collazo earlier......my apologies
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Tua>>>Lacy
Vitali>=Kessler
Tyson>>>>Roy Jones JR
Holyfield>>>Hopkins

They're Calzaghe's 4 best wins. Lewis has 4 surprisingly very similar wins in terms of style/status, but all better imo.

Lewis then has Mason, Briggs, Golota, Rahman, McCall, Grant, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Ruddock...........and Calzaghe doesn't have much.
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Bout sums that nonsense he came away with up.

Very poor list, though Wilde being top with Fitzsimmons exempted is fair enough.

Lewis is wayyyyy too low.

Just horrible all round really.
It is a flimsy list......it also practically contradicts itself with Calzaghe at 4 not having meaningful fights and having lennox so low despite being our greatest heavyweight ever.....

surely by their logic they must know its all over the shop
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