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Old 12-23-2008, 08:41 PM   #16
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Is Greb just rated so highly because boxing was less professional, less scientific and less skillful in his day?
I'll try and answer that question in exchange for the answer to, Why can anyone who has access to a computer post whatever they feel like?
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Old 12-23-2008, 10:57 PM   #17
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The two tapes of Harry do show some slivers of info for those of us ready to take in anything on this great. In many pictures Harry had his right hand in an unusual position, in the sparring session he threw his right from this set which let me know how he did it, an odd chopping punch. He appears far faster then I would have thought, doesn't seem interested in setting for his punches, but rather to throw numerous punches fast, and maybe not thrown technique wise the best. If...he actually could move that fast round after round, geese! He didn't appear very strong for a middleweight and his feet and hand postions might indicate not much umph in his punches. Now don't waste your time blasting me, its just fun seeing what one,,,thinks,,,they can pick up from these slight tapes. Tim
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:19 PM   #18
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:30 PM   #19
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................Just a troll, I think. I wouldn't bother with this one.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:11 AM   #20
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Greb is the pivot by which we can separate the old heads/purists from the new jacks. Here's why: to appreciate Greb demands research. Janitor nailed it -but he did so because he referred to his notes. There is no film that we know of that gives us a first-hand glimpse, we only have names on that golden ring record and many of those names were serious guys fighting in serious times. Greb's defeat of Tunney and Walker are stand-outs in any era. We can draw conclusions from such things that will be both valid and reliable.

Any boxing fan who wants to get serious needs to do their homework. Begin with Greb. The old heads and purists out can be counted on to grade you -ruthlessly- so don't cheat or slack or get stupid.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:37 AM   #21
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Does anybody think he has a chace with - Hearns etc. I just can't see it
Nobody has enough concrete evidence to sensibly come to such a conclusion. Greb's outstanding resume and the fighters he fought can only be used as a hazey guage. His longevity and dynamite chin against the best of his era in over 300 fights tells us a lot about him.

But the bottom line is that "you can only call it as you see it". And with Greb thats impossible.

If 20-30 of Greb's best wins were released on perfect DVD quality tommorow, then things could be judged accurately. Who's to say that he might not quite live up to the hype that surrounds him if he was viewable. I'm pretty sure he was as good as historians of the past claim he was.
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:59 AM   #22
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Like any old tyme boxer wher film footage is eather lacking or dose not exest. You have to go by and trust the historical written record. I don't know where i rank Greb but he is certaanly an all time great.
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Nobody has enough concrete evidence to sensibly come to such a conclusion. Greb's outstanding resume and the fighters he fought can only be used as a hazey guage. His longevity and dynamite chin against the best of his era in over 300 fights tells us a lot about him.

But the bottom line is that "you can only call it as you see it". And with Greb thats impossible.

If 20-30 of Greb's best wins were released on perfect DVD quality tommorow, then things could be judged accurately. Who's to say that he might not quite live up to the hype that surrounds him if he was viewable. I'm pretty sure he was as good as historians of the past claim he was.
He had 299 fights I think. Shame on you!
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Old 12-24-2008, 01:18 AM   #24
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He had 299 fights I think. Shame on you!
303, although some resources have his total at 299. And even if I'am wrong, no shame on me.
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Old 12-24-2008, 01:20 AM   #25
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Like any old tyme boxer wher film footage is eather lacking or dose not exest. You have to go by and trust the historical written record. I don't know where i rank Greb but he is certaanly an all time great.
Nice avatar. Easily the best captured, in-ring, shot of all-time. Basilio-DeMarco.
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Old 12-24-2008, 01:36 AM   #26
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Greb beat so many Hall-Of-Famers it's not funny. Hearns had that killer right hand, but Greb would be slashing, moving around, slapping Tommy to a unanimous decision over 15 rounds.
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Old 12-24-2008, 03:14 AM   #27
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Nice avatar. Easily the best captured, in-ring, shot of all-time. Basilio-DeMarco.
Thanks i agree. Hy Peskin is one of the best photographers of all time.
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Old 12-24-2008, 05:36 AM   #28
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I'm sure he's posted this Greb thing before.
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Old 12-24-2008, 05:39 AM   #29
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But why dont we have any footage, why?!
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Old 12-24-2008, 05:41 AM   #30
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I'm sure he's posted this Greb thing before.
It's a recurring theme with him, for sure.

He seems to dislike dead fighters generally,which is a hell of a thing to have someone be able to say about you...
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