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Old 05-08-2011, 11:02 PM   #76
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What kind of animal was Greb?
B,not much was he>..Just simply more amazing than any fighter that ever graced a ring!! This is NOT hyperbole. This is COLD facts. Not beautiful as
Ray Robinson or Willie Pep, But accomplished GREATER things, against
much bigger fighters in a 300 bout career, DUCKING no one, weight ,color
or reputation, fighting almost weekly, traveling from town to town,in hot trains,arriving in the morning,sometimes entertaining a lady or two, putting on his non-stop attack at night ,getting paid, and on to the next town, whipping just about everyone,such as Tunney, Loughran, Tommy Gibbons,
Jack Dillon, Billy Miske, Gunboat Smith, Kid Norfolk, Mickey Walker, Maxie
Rosenbloom, Battling Levinsky, Bill Brennan, etc,most all who were heavier than Greb, and I might add, for a good part of his career, BLIND in one eye,
and the other orb, failing. What courage this tough S.O.B. had !!!
He had what the old-timers called "bottom", in spades...
Name me one middleweight of modern times who could have accomplished
or even ATTEMPTED what lil ole Greb , done in his almost surreal career ?
Can't be done ...Not for nothing was famous victims as Tunney, Walker,
Rosenbloom,and others,lauded Harry Greb as the best fighter they have ever seen. Harry Greb, for the ages ..
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:51 AM   #77
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B,not much was he>..Just simply more amazing than any fighter that ever graced a ring!! This is NOT hyperbole. This is COLD facts. Not beautiful as
Ray Robinson or Willie Pep, But accomplished GREATER things, against
much bigger fighters in a 300 bout career, DUCKING no one, weight ,color
or reputation, fighting almost weekly, traveling from town to town,in hot trains,arriving in the morning,sometimes entertaining a lady or two, putting on his non-stop attack at night ,getting paid, and on to the next town, whipping just about everyone,such as Tunney, Loughran, Tommy Gibbons,
Jack Dillon, Billy Miske, Gunboat Smith, Kid Norfolk, Mickey Walker, Maxie
Rosenbloom, Battling Levinsky, Bill Brennan, etc,most all who were heavier than Greb, and I might add, for a good part of his career, BLIND in one eye,
and the other orb, failing. What courage this tough S.O.B. had !!!
He had what the old-timers called "bottom", in spades...
Name me one middleweight of modern times who could have accomplished
or even ATTEMPTED what lil ole Greb , done in his almost surreal career ?
Can't be done ...Not for nothing was famous victims as Tunney, Walker,
Rosenbloom,and others,lauded Harry Greb as the best fighter they have ever seen. Harry Greb, for the ages ..
burt, I gather you are a fan?

Now somebody tell me what kind of animal Greb was?!?!
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:13 AM   #78
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burt, I gather you are a fan?

Now somebody tell me what kind of animal Greb was?!?!
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:20 AM   #79
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I think its just crazy to rate a man so highly as people do without;

Seeing any of his fights

while fighting in an era where black fighters where not competing on a level playing field.

So all those dicks that levelled persinal insults at me - how do they counter this and where do they rate greb?
In the 2002 "80th Anniversary Issue" of Ring Magazine, Greb was declared the 7th greatest fighter in the last 80 years. The ranking was as follows: #1-Sugar Ray Robinson, #2-Henry Armstrong, #3-Muhammad Ali, #4-Joe Louis, #5-Roberto Duran, #6-Willie Pep, #7-Harry Greb.

International Boxing Research Org all time middleweight rankings
1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Stanley Ketchel
4. Mickey Walker
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Marvin Hagler
7. Marcel Cerdan
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. Jake LaMotta
10. Charley Burley

ESB Classics Middleweight ranking
1. 736 Carlos Monzon (13)
2. 718 Harry Greb (15)


Sports Illustrated Top 10 All-Time Greatest Middleweights
#1 Harry Greb
261-19-18, 6 NC; 48 KOs

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Boxing Scene top 25 middleweights all time
#1 Harry Greb (1913-26)
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Harry Greb was voted top All-Time Middleweight on Monte Cox's website "Cox's Corner"

"The fastest fighter I ever saw"
Jack Dempsey said of Greb. That is amazing since Dempsey had seen a lot of the blindingly fast Benny Leonard!

Jimmy McLarnin, one of boxing's best, Who during his career beat 13 lineal champions and won the Welterweight Championship of the World = once told an admirer,"If you thought I was great, you should have seen Harry Greb."


This is not intended as a personal attack but a simple statement of fact.
If you are looking for facts I have provided quite a few. If these don't fit your perception of reality feel free to ignore them, your opinions are your own and far be it from me to attempt to convince you of anything if the facts alone will not do it. If, in the face of this overwhelming evidence, you do NOT rate Harry Greb at or near the top of the all time middleweights then it says a lot more about you, sir, than Mr. Greb. And if you find reason to ignore the opinions of others who are scholars, historians, boxers and trainers of professional boxers why, exactly, should we trust or value your opinions on the fighters you see film of? Are you a professional sports journalist specializing in boxing, it would appear from what you have written that you are not a journalist. Are you, sir, a highly skilled boxer or trainer? Is your profession one having to do with boxing so that you have vast amounts of personal experience? From what perspective can you argue that your ideas and opinions about a fighter you admittedly have never seen should outweigh the record and eye witness accounts of people (whose profession was boxing related) regarding this man?

"Boxing is every day in every way getting better all the time."
Is obviously incorrect.

and

"I haven't seen film of him." isn't a very convincing line...
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burt, I gather you are a fan?

Now somebody tell me what kind of animal Greb was?!?!
wolverine

small, fast, deadly, nasty, crazy brave and will never ever quit
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:13 PM   #81
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burt, I gather you are a fan?

Now somebody tell me what kind of animal Greb was?!?!
B,how on earth did you deduce that i was a "fan" of Harry Greb ?
Maybe, because as a child my dad who saw Greb beat the daylights out of a bigger Gene Tunney at old MSG,would tell me that Greb was the best fighter he ever saw,and my dad took young me too see a prime WW Ray Robinson
several times. Heady stuff...
My theory or opinion is simple : what middleweight could of taken on all the great bigger HOF fighters as Greb did,and whip them. ? We know the answer.
None since Greb's time...To accomplish what he fearlessly did,because of his
"UNIQUE" style,stamina and cojones, puts me in awe... Cheers B....
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