what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard - Page 2

Toopretty · 08-12-2007, 02:32 PM

Well, If it is the first few rounds and the other guy has not been cracking you with shots all night then points. But if it is a WAR like Corrales/Castillo I give Corrales the benefit of the doubt that the crushing left hand of castillo made his jaw hurt enough for him to open his mouth and not shut it with force in pain. I mean bitting down on something with a toothache is erkingly painful. Imagine taking 10 rounds of punches to your jaw..They are boxers and human beings. Not cyborgs...although I still think Klitschko is an actual robot from the future....lol

Drusome · 08-12-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nawfal

this pisses me off when fighters do this. its blatant cheating, everyone knows it. sometimes it gets knocked out. but not when the take it out of their mouth

if they spit it out, the ref should just put it in without washing it off. or he should carry a spare one for both fighters.

You answered your own question. Of course, this makes too much sense to implement in boxing.

El Bombasto · 08-12-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hooligan

to recover from a shot...just like corrales did against castillo...

RIP diego...

exactly, so put it back in immediately (without taking time to rinse it) and deduct a point (warnings aren't necessary for this infraction).

igotJUIC3 · 08-12-2007, 04:30 PM

super glu...

CASH_718 · 08-12-2007, 04:31 PM

Just pick it up and put it back in his mouth and if he keeps doing it take points. But do if after the round is over.

Bigcat · 08-12-2007, 04:44 PM

ON THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.........

I dont actually see anything more that can be done practically other than Warnings , and the odd point deduction for the more obvious deliberate spit. The safety issue is more than everything else , i'd rather see a man hold a round up for a second or two than lose his life because he was too desparate to lose the round by a point..

It is a very hard one to find a great answer to.

Marnoff · 08-12-2007, 04:51 PM

The problem with putting it back in without it being washed off is debris. If small stones or whatever is on the canvas get on the mouthpiece and the person is punched, that can open cuts on the gums, etc..

Drusome · 08-12-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marnoff

The problem with putting it back in without it being washed off is debris. If small stones or whatever is on the canvas get on the mouthpiece and the person is punched, that can open cuts on the gums, etc..

The ref can just carry spare ones for each fighter (in plastic in his pocket) then like he suggested. Why not?

nervousxtian · 08-12-2007, 06:04 PM

I think they handle it just fine the way it is.

It's hard to say when someone spits it out intentionally or not, you can't always tell the motive of the guy spitting it out.

I do not advocate fighting without it. Very very very bad idea.

PolishPummler · 08-12-2007, 06:05 PM

Make him fight without it.

Marnoff · 08-12-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Drusome

The ref can just carry spare ones for each fighter (in plastic in his pocket) then like he suggested. Why not?

Sure, that would be fine with me, but then still the referee's hands are generally unclean from wiping dirt from the fighter's gloves after they touch the canvas, separating the fighters, etc.. Either way there should be immediate and severe penalties for any intentional spitting out of the mouthpiece.

Lex · 08-13-2007, 02:25 PM

The purpose of a mouthpiece is to keep the jaw aligned, minimize damage to teeth and soft tissue in the mouth.

A custom mouthpiece will accomplish these most effectively but any mouthpiece has its limits.

Once the jaw begins to swell it loses sensation. It becomes more difficult for the fighter to clamp down. And since a custom mouthpiece is specifically designed to fit an unswollen jaw with normal top to bottom fit, it becomes less and less effective once jaw damage starts.

It's best to let the ref make the call. He's in the best position to decide whether the mouthpiece is being deliberately spit out or whether it's simply being knocked out.

I'm more concerned about inconsistencies in warnings and penalties for obvious fouls that shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances, such as using elbows and forearms. It can be difficult to say whether a head butt or low blow was accidental, but elbows and forearms are virtually always deliberate and clearly seen. PBF seldom gets called down for this trick. Neither were Trinidad or Hopkins.

the_what · 08-13-2007, 02:31 PM

I dont believe a fighter should be allowed to fight without a mouthpiece. That is very dangerous. I like the system the way it is now. Warning. And then point deductions.

Darthmage · 08-13-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hooligan

to recover from a shot...just like corrales did against castillo...

RIP diego...

Miranda did it against Pavlik too, it didn't help him at all.

WiDDoW_MaKeR · 08-13-2007, 02:46 PM

The same thing as every other foul. Warn, and escalate there after.

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Toopretty Custom made East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Going through your cell phone Posts: 27,953 vCash: 1000	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard Well, If it is the first few rounds and the other guy has not been cracking you with shots all night then points. But if it is a WAR like Corrales/Castillo I give Corrales the benefit of the doubt that the crushing left hand of castillo made his jaw hurt enough for him to open his mouth and not shut it with force in pain. I mean bitting down on something with a toothache is erkingly painful. Imagine taking 10 rounds of punches to your jaw..They are boxers and human beings. Not cyborgs...although I still think Klitschko is an actual robot from the future....lol
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CASH_718 "You fucked Healy?" East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 20,933 vCash: 1644	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard Just pick it up and put it back in his mouth and if he keeps doing it take points. But do if after the round is over.
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Bigcat Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley of the shadow of death . Remember a desperate man is a dangerous man !! Posts: 10,830 vCash: 300	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard ON THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS......... I dont actually see anything more that can be done practically other than Warnings , and the odd point deduction for the more obvious deliberate spit. The safety issue is more than everything else , i'd rather see a man hold a round up for a second or two than lose his life because he was too desparate to lose the round by a point.. It is a very hard one to find a great answer to.
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08-12-2007, 04:51 PM	#22
Marnoff Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 12,845 vCash: 1000	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard The problem with putting it back in without it being washed off is debris. If small stones or whatever is on the canvas get on the mouthpiece and the person is punched, that can open cuts on the gums, etc..
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08-12-2007, 06:04 PM	#24
nervousxtian Northwest Boxing Guru East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northwest Posts: 5,430 vCash: 526	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard I think they handle it just fine the way it is. It's hard to say when someone spits it out intentionally or not, you can't always tell the motive of the guy spitting it out. I do not advocate fighting without it. Very very very bad idea.
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PolishPummler WWWRAAAAHHHHH East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: S.F Bay Area by way of Bytom Polska Posts: 15,735 vCash: 197	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard Make him fight without it.
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08-13-2007, 02:25 PM	#27
Lex Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 191 vCash: 1000	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard The purpose of a mouthpiece is to keep the jaw aligned, minimize damage to teeth and soft tissue in the mouth. A custom mouthpiece will accomplish these most effectively but any mouthpiece has its limits. Once the jaw begins to swell it loses sensation. It becomes more difficult for the fighter to clamp down. And since a custom mouthpiece is specifically designed to fit an unswollen jaw with normal top to bottom fit, it becomes less and less effective once jaw damage starts. It's best to let the ref make the call. He's in the best position to decide whether the mouthpiece is being deliberately spit out or whether it's simply being knocked out. I'm more concerned about inconsistencies in warnings and penalties for obvious fouls that shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances, such as using elbows and forearms. It can be difficult to say whether a head butt or low blow was accidental, but elbows and forearms are virtually always deliberate and clearly seen. PBF seldom gets called down for this trick. Neither were Trinidad or Hopkins.
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the_what Bolo Punch KO East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 7,421 vCash: 1000	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard I dont believe a fighter should be allowed to fight without a mouthpiece. That is very dangerous. I like the system the way it is now. Warning. And then point deductions.
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WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 23,986 vCash: 1000	Re: what can be done about spitting out the mouthguard The same thing as every other foul. Warn, and escalate there after.
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