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Old 12-28-2008, 03:07 PM   #61
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1 Dempsey
2 Duran
3 Hagler
4 Tyson
5 Greb
6 Ketchel
7 Frazier
8 Liston
9 Briscoe
10 Monzon
11 Chavez
12 Benn
13 Foreman
15 Lamatta
16 Graziano
17 Zale
18 Ayala
19 I. Williams
20 Barklay
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Old 12-28-2008, 03:54 PM   #62
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Hagler and hopkins are not badasses.
Hoppo acted like a coward and cheat against calzaghe and was less than stellar against jones,while hagler was no badass against duran,vito or leonard...
Monzon is twenty times more badass than either...
Great pick for number one though.......
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:24 PM   #63
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10 - Tiger Flowers. "Blessed be the Lord my strength which teacheth my hands to war and my fingers to fight."
85 years before Pulp Fiction had been written, Flowers knew The Bible could be badass.

09 - Jack Dillon. The first man to carry "Giantkiller" as a nickname? Stood between five feet six and five feet eight, certainly no HW, but that didn't stop him taking on some of the best men from the two biggest divisions between 1908 and 1923, sometimes at the rate of one every 12 days. Fought around 30 times in 1912 and mostly in the world class. That's badass.

08 - Jack Chase. Supposedly racked up something like 60 fights unbeaten fighting under two different names before finding himself in a "situation" (Harry Otty) and, long story short, in prison for manslaughter. Years later he shot fellow middleweight Tiger Wade before adding injury to injury, the incurable badass.

07 - Bennie Briscoe. "Anybody I hit has to go. And if they don't, they'll be fouled up for the rest of their career." Briscoe fought badass, that ultimate chew-them-up-spit-them-out badass style. Monzon would keep him from the title, and the Argentine sure was better, but Briscoe was way more badass.

06 - Bernard Hopkins. If you want to sell t-shirts, put Muhammad Ali on there. If you want a man who can throw the flag of a Latin-American country on the floor whilst surrounded by men from that country and get out of the room alive, you want this badass.


05 - Mickey Walker. Think of a fighter weighing over 200lbs. Mickey Walker would take that fight. Then, when the referee stopped it because he was being killed, he would be furious. You can tell we're in the top 5 now because Mickey wasn't just badass, he was a badass mother****er.

And yes, he is in ahead of Greb. Greb supposedly beat Walker in the ring but Walker settled that one in the backalley's later that same night. There seems to be no real proof that this actually happened, but you know it's true. Look into his eyes.


04 - Sonny Liston. Whilst holding the heavyweight championship of the world, Liston disarmed a police-officer and hammered him. It's said that wherever he went, police at the local station were issued photographs of Sonny and told not to tackle this badass single handed under any circumstances. The photo probably looked something like this:


03 - Marvin Hagler. Probably the only guy in the history of the planet badass enough to wear a cap with "War" written on it without looking like a twat.

02 - Roberto Duran.


01 - Jack Johnson. My choice for #1 isn't going to meet with universal approval. But this is the way I look at it - if there was a non-combatant house of badassery, American society 1908-1915 would probably be in the top 3 - those were the years Jack Johnson held the title, and his enemy was the country of America. Being a black man in the US at that time was not easy. Being a black man in the US who drilled white women and showed no deference to the white power axis must have been near impossible. Getting into the ring and destroying one of the greatest white hero's of the time whilst the white crowd looked on and a former white champion screamed racial insults from ringside is perhaps the badassist thing to happen in ring history. The fact that Johnson did it smiling, joking, and carrying his white opponent puts him clean of my badassometer. The ultimate boxing badass, Jack Johnson:




Near miss - Jack Blackburn, Iran Barkley, Mike Tyson, Fritzie Zivic.


Agree with the names on the list? Who did I miss? Who would your #1 be?
Great list McGrain, and a nice bit of fun.
Some strikes against BERNARD HOPKINS however:

1 Lost to a white guy.

2 Pretended to get punched up the balls when he couldn't handle the pace.

3 Prone to wearing a ****in stupid mask. Whatever the case me be against Tyson, he never wore a mask. He got a tattoo on his face instead.

4 Lost to Jermain Taylor. I'll repeat. Jermain Taylor.

5 Hasn't got proper teeth. And not in a menacing way.

6 Appeared to cry after beating Pavlik. Like, actually crying. Like a bird.

7 Fought Robert Allen 28% of his entire career.

8 Never took the cut necessary to avenge his biggest defeat. Instead, dominated what Roy left behind.

PS, I'll chuck in Tyson, Qawi, Barbados Joe, Benn, and Ketchel as worthy names.
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I want to reiterate Stanley Ketchel.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:34 PM   #65
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I want to reiterate Stanley Ketchel.
I heard you the first time. Was just a bit embarrassed at having left him off.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:35 PM   #66
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Great list McGrain, and a nice bit of fun.
Some strikes against BERNARD HOPKINS however:

1 Lost to a white guy.

2 Pretended to get punched up the balls when he couldn't handle the pace.

3 Prone to wearing a ****in stupid mask. Whatever the case me be against Tyson, he never wore a mask. He got a tattoo on his face instead.

4 Lost to Jermain Taylor. I'll repeat. Jermain Taylor.

5 Hasn't got proper teeth. And not in a menacing way.

6 Appeared to cry after beating Pavlik. Like, actually crying. Like a bird.

7 Fought Robert Allen 28% of his entire career.

8 Never took the cut necessary to avenge his biggest defeat. Instead, dominated what Roy left behind.

PS, I'll chuck in Tyson, Qawi, Barbados Joe, Benn, and Ketchel as worthy names.



But the thing, with the flag.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:38 PM   #67
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I heard you the first time. Was just a bit embarrassed at having left him off.
As you should be.
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Just for fun, I'll offer a heirarchy of Badassism.

1. The Blood-soaked Nonpareils of the Cobweb Era. Think Battling Nelson.
2. The Sociopaths. Think Monzon
3. The Wild Ones. Think Duran
4. The Thugs. Think Liston.
5. The Natural Fighters. Think Greb.
Where does Johnson fit in? Because I'm with McGrain on that one, he his nr. 1 - by a longshot.

Glad to see you also think Nelson merits a place. Thought it a bit unfair that he was left out.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:27 PM   #69
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Where does Johnson fit in? Because I'm with McGrain on that one, he his nr. 1 - by a longshot.

Glad to see you also think Nelson merits a place. Thought it a bit unfair that he was left out.
Johnson is number one in my book too. So much so that he hereby has a category all his own:

* Bad Asses who Taunted and Tortured White Hopes Whilst Surrounded by Lynch Mobs
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:29 PM   #70
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With a big smill on his face, too.
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:08 PM   #71
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Don't know much about his outside-the-ring life, but based on the ring footage I've seen of him, Ike Williams looked pretty badass. Like a cool, calculating kinda guy.
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Old 12-28-2008, 08:11 PM   #72
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Ike Williams nearly made the original cut. Outside the ring he tried to take on and reform all of boxing. Definitely a badass.
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:11 PM   #73
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Not a single mention of this sorrid badass?

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Shame on you, Classic.
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Ike Williams. Ike Williams.
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Not a single mention of this sorrid badass?

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Shame on you, Classic.
A good mention.

Sharkey was as bad as they come. Bill Sykes turned to boxing.

Bob Fitzsimmons was a more rounded individual.
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