Cotto better than Kessler??

[MSTR]

CHJ, Calzaghe in some respects only has himself to blame. He wasted his god given talent. He never unified, never sent up in weight to try to fight the best, and never fought away from home. If an American did the same thing they would be scrutinized just the same. Bernard Hopkins wasn't popular with the experts at all until he defeated felix trinidad, and recieved much of the same criticism that Joe gets. IMO if joe really believed he was great, he should have chased a fight with both Hopkins and more importantly gone up to fight Roy Jones. A win against Roy pre Tarver would basically have made the top (or very close to) p4p fighter in the sport, and cemented his legacy as an ATG.

[T.C.W]

If he beats JOE then he will be a top 5 P4P fighter.

[albaneze]

Cotto is the man, Kessler might come near him once he beats Calzaghe which i doubt it a lot.

[China_hand_Joe]

Originally Posted by MSTR

CHJ, Calzaghe in some respects only has himself to blame. He wasted his god given talent. He never unified, never sent up in weight to try to fight the best, and never fought away from home. If an American did the same thing they would be scrutinized just the same. Bernard Hopkins wasn't popular with the experts at all until he defeated felix trinidad, and recieved much of the same criticism that Joe gets. IMO if joe really believed he was great, he should have chased a fight with both Hopkins and more importantly gone up to fight Roy Jones. A win against Roy pre Tarver would basically have made the top (or very close to) p4p fighter in the sport, and cemented his legacy as an ATG.

Calzaghe had chased Hopkins, to the point where Bernard had agreed in principle to sign for a fight, until he upped his demands to beyopnd what Frank ****** would pay. This was back around 2000 too.

[China_hand_Joe]

Originally Posted by Korn_06

So a new young fighter turn pro, we have never seen any ability or any talent like this before, he can be the Tiger Woods of boxing, 3 fight 3x KO1.

Shall we put him as P4P #1?

After this he chooses to only fight 4 round bouts and only once a year or so, he does not want to fight the best but is handpicking B-level opponents with some reputation. Anyway he max needs 3 rounds to put them to sleep.

P4P#1?

They are unlikely to be P4P number one after 3 fights, due to the learning curve of the sport.

Joe Calzaghe started heading towards becoming P4P number one after Robin Reid fight - a competitive fight and a vital learning experience.

[China_hand_Joe]

Originally Posted by MSTR

I can understand your frustration, because IMO Roy Jones JR is hands down the most talented fighter of all time. Unfortunately, he is no where near the no1 ATG though, as he never had the best opponents to prove his skill against. Because of this, the experts will never get the recognition that I feel his skills in his prime truely deserved.

Roy Jones is a top 5 all time P4P fighter and greatness grows over time. ATG is about greatness, not how good you are, so vastly, vastly, vastly inferior fighters to Roy like Willie Pep get put above him. One weight champion Pep.